(07-26-2020, 09:18 PM)classicdrogn Wrote: I'm not remotely saying that private gun ownership is wrong. Trump's bullshit is getting worryingly close to why I think private gun ownership is neccessary. I'm also not saying that the protesters throwing molotovs are in the right, because obviously not. I am saying that unidentified camo cosplaying goon squads committing violence in the streets and now abducting people without so much as flashing a badge are the bad guys regardless of which side of the picket line they're on.
I'll side with you on that one.
The fact we've gotten to the point that you can be picked up by federal agents who do not have to directly identify themselves (their names being concealed I'll give them, there are confirmed reports of these people getting doxed and harassed because of this, they instead wear ID tags to prevent this), at least not by flashing a legitimate badge and reading Miranda rights and can instead forego most of that and just detain you is a worrying precedent. Even though this is a time of civil unrest, that's when the rule of law should have even stronger enforcement, especially in regards to the proper process, not less so.
If nothing else, this prevents any hint of ambiguity any of their actions were legally justified, no matter what the scope of their jurisdiction may be.