All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XVII

[GethN7]

Now, we may not want to discuss movie this right now, because people are currently in freak-out mode about it.  And that's okay.  I doubt an on-wiki discussion about it would be all that fruitful right now.  But the point of academic freedom is to be able to discuss these kinds of works that people find problematic.

Agreed.  I found the pre-emptive locking of the page very disturbing given our academic freedom policy.  That smacks of TVTropes behavior -- "we don't approve of this so we won't let anyone even acknowledge it exists".  I thought the whole point of ATT was that we didn't do stuff like that, that we were better than TVT and their reflexive "pedoshit" declarations.

But as you point out, people are in full-blown chicken-with-head-cut-off mode.  No one's going to listen to anyone else until it all shakes out one way or the other.

EDIT:  But as a note, Geth, it is not illegal to discuss child pornography, or even a specific work thereof.  Discussion of obscenity is not obscene -- that's been pretty much solidly established for decades.  However, if you're going to unilaterally insist that a work is so eeeeevul that it cannot even be acknowledged by the wiki, let alone discussed, well...  I think I have Fast Eddie's hat around here somewhere for you.

Believe me, I didn't make this decision overnight. When I first heard of it, I thought it was skeevy like Toddlers and Tiaras but not pedophilia, but here's some sources on the contents that are pretty convincing:

https://www.lacortenews.com/n/netflix-re...pedophilia

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/ne...uties.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...pedophilia

https://www.waynedupree.com/2020/09/cuti...ild-abuse/

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/...king-film/

https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/10/netlf...-doucoure/

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...ies-worse/

https://indianexpress.com/article/explai...s-6564578/

https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/cuties-ou...40568.html

https://www.ibtimes.co.in/cancel-netflix...ash-827910


This is just but a sample of what I found, feel free to look into more sources if you think I'm an idiot or suckered by scaremongering. If anyone wants to undo the creation protection, go for it, but I want it on record I absolutely oppose it because I DESPISE censorship as much as anyone else, I believe I have a long record on that that needs no elaboration for this but based on the preponderance of the evidence, I for one have become more than convinced we shouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole and am willing to leave ATT over this if I have to.

I consider myself politically centrist. I'm a Christian but I've not let my religious beliefs compromise my objectivity of lots of other content being covered on ATT prior. However, this is something, after checking out the controversy myself and getting descriptions from those who seen it from multiple sources that all confirm the same details, that not allowing this coverage is the only correct thing to do.

Undo my decision if you like, but I want on record if we get a page on this, I'm leaving for reasons of personal conscience from the Miraheze Branch. I'll continue to manage the Wikia Branch since I'm the only one who maintains that branch, but I will step down from ATT Miraheze and sleep at night if they cover this.


P.S. - Some tweets with clips of some of the most horrifying parts. I refuse to watch this, the descriptions are horrifying enough and match what else I read and heard.


https://mobile.twitter.com/GhostJim4/sta...2528081920

https://twitter.com/GhostJim4/status/130...48547?s=20

https://mobile.twitter.com/GhostJim4/sta...8169689088

https://mobile.twitter.com/GhostJim4/sta...9356650496

Some Youtube clips of the horror:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqqHlG5BeVs