(08-14-2021, 01:01 PM)Black Aeronaut Wrote: Simple. Some people will claim to having autism to excuse the fact that they're just ass holes, like as if being on the autism spectrum means it's okay to be misogynistic, racist, a bully, or what have you. And, as someone who is on the Spectrum himself, I absolutely despise these people because not only is it a pathetic excuse, but it makes people like me look bad.
Yeah no, I understood that much, but I wasn't sure who it was being applied to in this context.
Quote:In this case, it would not surprise me if their excuse is that they're on the Autism Spectrum in order to excuse themselves from going all TV Tropes on all these other Wikis, just because the material they cover did a no-no once or twice.
...I didn't see anything regarding autism at all in the discussion, is the thing, so now I'm just further confused. It helps (or doesn't?) that this isn't exactly out of nowhere, based on this particular quote:
"We have had past content conversations with Polandball and Polcompball so it should not have been a surprise to either community that there were some concerns we had."
Assuming this is true for the sake of discussion - since I am a third-party observer and cannot verify in either direction - they likely had time to take action and perhaps disclaim the content in question (as ATT's recently done, I'd think) or do something similar and didn't.
Quote:Doubly so because purging the entire wiki for Poland Ball just because of one instance of racism on Poland Ball's part (not the Wiki per say) would be a bit like Wikipedia purging their article on Bill Cosby because it turned out he was a rapist.
This comparison doesn't entirely track, but I suppose I get it...? The thing is, with Wikipedia you know for a fact they're reporting this stuff on an informational basis and not because they condone anything Cosby's done or are trying to sow a pretext for hit pieces or whatever. With farms like Wikia/FANDOM, literally anyone can make one so you don't really have that same level of assurance that they're handling shit right. Same with Miraheze, though in ATT's case I trust LT, Rob, et. al. to make it clear they're doing due diligence, and they hold themselves to that same standard - which has produced verifiable results.
It's ultimately a question of quality control, and for my own reasons I doubt that FANDOM as an entity is fully equipped to grapple with this situation in a way that I would consider sensible. Maybe PolandBall Wiki didn't meet those standards until it was too late; maybe they actually did take steps, just not enough; maybe they did and were done dirty.
As before, I can't say in either direction. My apprehension towards FANDOM is largely based on what I have seen from them previously, and I don't want to make assumptions about what I haven't - and from what I can see, while it is completely possible that FANDOM is overcorrecting in regards to their response regarding national stereotype tropes to an extent that is reasonably troubling, this is seemingly being panic-inflated - unintentionally and/or otherwise - into something far more than it is to the point of obscuring said legitimate concerns.
On that note, one last reply...
GethN7 Wrote:And if you object to how I referred to my own situation, well, I'm not apologizing. Many of us who founded ATT showed similar respectful dissent but still planned to remain obedient to their wishes
The TVT scenario was about pleasing advertisers and an admin wanting to maintain control. Your situation with FANDOM was about not posting bigoted tangents. It does no good to conflate them like they're the exact same, and that's as far as I'm humoring this.