All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXII

[GethN7]

Let me know for how long.

Bump.

Let me lay it out for you. People just want you to quit lashing out. We have no idea if something is going on we don't know about in your personal life that is making you cranky, and if so, we sympathize and hope it passes. That said, you've been lashing out with a lot of disproportionate anger over things that do not deserve half the vehemence you have displayed, and you've come off like, to be frank, a bit of a jackass.

All The Tropes is a collaborative project where respectful dissent and good faith actions are not causes to demand people be stripped of certain rights. It is a wiki, meaning mistakes can be fixed and are not permanent, and it is no one person's personal fiefdom, it belongs to the community to edit, we in authority simply are supposed to keep the wiki running smoothly. Further, as admins, we should be mature. Being vicious does not help our goals, causes more people to get upset, and solves nothing.

If we have disagreements or issues come up, we can resolve things without bitterness, or at least I hope we can. All we, and I speak on behalf of myself, Lulzkiller, and anyone else you have been unkind to, ask is you either try to be more civil than you have been or at least take some time off to deal with whatever has soured your mood lately, you have been really vicious of late and not only does it just make people angry. I personally would like to think you can be better than that. You're a good person, Rob, and your recent outbursts of wrath are troubling.

I hope that is not an unreasonable thing to ask.

I'm getting mixed messages here.

I'm going to go on record saying I believe you need to step away until you can be more civil.

I've been a civil servant for enough decades to know what that means. I thought I was being gracious and saving face all around - all I wanted to know was whether this was temp- or perma-.

But now it looks like you don't want to ban me after all.


As for this post, if you want me to stop lashing out, stop giving me reasons to lash out.

You mentioned me getting upset with you about the template issues. You didn't mention that I brought the issues to your attention weeks earlier, and from what I could see on the wiki you never did anything about them. And now you've mentioned you knew how to fix the issue - but you never did. The only way I know to fix the damage was to do a rollback, and I said so before doing the rollback - and now you appear to be upset that I did what nobody told me wasn't necessary.

I've also been asking repeatedly for feedback on the infoboxes that you folks wanted created. I get nothing in response to my questions, except from Labster.

I've also been asking repeatedly for help with the image licenses project. I get nothing in response to my statements.

And  now, LulzKiller mentions going to you in an off-wiki channel that we say is not connected to ATT (unlike the tenuous connection that we mention exists between this forum and the wiki) to have at least one conversation with you - which is one of the things that I remember everybody complaining about how the then-current admins at TV Tropes operated when the wiki was forked.

Why shouldn't I get upset?

You're asking for good faith - but I'm not seeing a lot of it in return.

So ... how long before I get what you're asking me to give?

Y'know Rob, I'm gonna do you a favor. Lulz told me he has things like school he's gonna be more busy with soon so he plans to step away from ATT for awhile. Since it's obvious from your response my appeal to reason has fallen on what appear to be deaf ears, I'm going to follow suit. It's very obvious you consider both him and I utter incompetents whose presence you would rather not suffer because no matter what we do, you have an issue with it.

If that's how you truly feel, then I'm signing out for awhile too and taking a vacation. I want no part in any decision-making (just assume I don't contest whatever you and Bob want if nothing else), will not be assisting with anything, and will be stepping away to do other things. You obviously believe you and Bob are the only ones competent to decide what goes or even exercise anything resembling actual power of ANY sort, so I'm going to not fight you on that and let you prove it.

I'll come back at some time in the future when you feel my help is actually worth your time. For the time being, it's obvious you do not wish either myself or LK to assist because think rather poorly of us, and to be frank, we are both tired of you lashing out at us and getting spat on for trying to contribute at all, so consider us not a problem for however long you wish to be free of us.