All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXII

[robkelk]

There's been a whole discussion while I slept so I just want to respond to some things. I want to reiterate I never wanted anyone to leave, and that Geth's semi-ultimatum seemed to be in response to Rob's request that I lose my admin status for seeking consensus on whether to delete a page. I appreciate Labster's and Black Aeronaut's feedback on this. I want to respond to this post by Rob:

Thank you for being willing to have a discussion in good faith.

1) I've never made an infobox, and if there was something you specifically wanted, I'm sorry that I don't have good design skills, I appreciate that Labster gave you feedback, I thought I had already praised you for your infobox work on stuff like the Oscar Best Picture and a literature award, if I haven't; I appreciate it and I want you to continue doing good work on infoboxes.

While I appreciate the compliments, they don't give me any feedback.

I have repeatedly asked:

• What am I doing right?
  
• What am I doing wrong?
  
• What should be added?
  
• What should be taken away?
  

Right now, I'm getting nothing back regarding the templates. I need something, even if it's an honestly-stated "don't change anything".

2) I have been manually doing image licences for a decent bunch of TVT fork images that were unlicensed, is there something you wanted me to do differently or more?

The license templates are useful. Thank you for creating them.

The issue that I have been raising for months years is the magnitude of the work. Looney Toons tells uploaders that we have a legal obligation (his emphasis) to have the information present; I have in my sandbox three autogenerated lists of files that do not have the information present (all directly linked from this page that includes instructions on how to do the work); and despite how many times I've said that I would appreciate assistance with adding license information to the files that need it, I don't get that assistance unless somebody happens to notice the absence on a file while doing something else that needs to be done. (I did once get a request to do more work here, from somebody who hasn't done any license identification. We have a trope for that now.)

One reason why I am reluctant to take a break is that I know those three lists will be sitting and waiting for me, either virtually or completely untouched, upon my return. Everybody, I would be pleasantly surprised to be proven wrong. Please.

3) I contacted Geth because it was around 11pm UK time, and I wanted to quickly confirm my then knowledge of what we do with FF examples, he confirmed that with me and I moved to do some edits of that nature. Out of my relations with staff, I am "closest" (whatever that means) with Geth, I can quickly DM him on Discord about various matters including but not exclusively ATT. Me joining ATT was me just repaying the favour to Geth for help in other internet projects I used to be involved him, and here I am 5 years later. Maybe Rob thought me quickly pinging Geth sometimes to confirm current knowledge of ATT Policy was underhanded (if so, it was not the intention of anyone). But I can confirm with the AWB instance of bot jobs for disambiguating links, I asked Geth, and he told me to gather consensus first because of the nature of it. Geth from my point of view, tried in good faith to help me be efficient with my wiki work.

It's the perception. "The admins at ATT are hiding things, just like the admins at TVT" - not a direct quote from anyone, but a perception that's easy to make.

4) The discord server you mention is linked by ATT as an unofficial fan discord, which is at least a tenuous connection. BA's idea of an official Discord might be a good idea, if wanted.

We would need to be able to create accounts on it - and I have not yet found a discord server that either does not require an email address or will accept one of my "spam trap" disposable email aliases.

We would also need to publish a regular report of any decisions reached on a discord. With decisions made here, we can simply provide URLs to the entire discussions.

Per Geth statement of me walking away or something, I'm just starting a new uni year tomorrow, so I'll just be less active. I want to continue contributing if possible, and hopefully Rob continues to contribute, once this whole situation calms down. I don't want Rob gone, and I don't want Rob to want me gone.

I don't want you gone, and I've never said I want you gone. I just want you to take the hair-trigger off of the delete button, as per #2 on https://allthetropes.org/wiki/All_The_Tr...Wiki_Staff

I hope everyone (including Rob) reads https://allthetropes.org/wiki/All_The_Tr...Wiki_Staff because I think at some point this got lost here. I never tried to disrespect or insult anyone in this conversation. This situation has gotten out of hand.