All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXXI

[robkelk]

Well. I am so not surprised that HLIAA14YOG tried to pass off CSA: Confederate States of America as an over-the-top parody. It seems very consistent with his political stances as seen in other postings. <sigh> He's getting to be almost as bad as that Hitler apologist we bumrushed out the door a few years back.

We did have this conversation earlier this month:

Looking at this troper's history, I see that this is bigger than I thought at first.

I need unequivocal statements from the admins: Did HLIAA14YOG violate our rules?

We warned him in this post that "When your tempban expires, you will remain On Notice. Any violation of any rule, policy, or guideline will be grounds for a permanent ban from editing here."

So this isn't just a matter of rejecting an edit because of how it's worded. This is a matter of perma-banning a user who (as I've pointed out in the past) brings to ATT a viewpoint that is not shared by most of the mods. I need to know that he did or did not do something to deserve a ban before I do anything about these edits.

That said, I think that he did break the rules. This is what I was going to say to him before I thought to double-check his history:

You said that the magazine has retracted their statement; we must assume that this was because they could not support their statement in court. Since it has been retracted, we have only your word that this was ever published at all.

Also, even if you ''do'' have evidence that this was said, we cannot find any evidence that the action was ever actually performed the way that you described it.

Please note that "Adding incorrect text and presenting it as fact" is listed as grounds for a warning on the first occurrence and a tempban on a repeated occurrence.
Please note that "Making potentially libellous statements on an opinion page" is listed as grounds for a tempban without warning on the first occurrence.

I wasn't thinking of the edits on that level. Upon reconsidering in that context, I fully support basically telling him we've had it with his shit and don't let the door hit him on the way out.

That said, I agree that they may have flown too close to the sun on this. They were warned about such behavior in the past.

"Please note that "Making potentially libellous statements on an opinion page" is listed as grounds for a tempban without warning on the first occurrence."

I’d say it’s more serious than that, since it’s the primary page, not an opinion page.

Kinda torn to be honest. On one hand, he does cite something that was written down and it is a factual statement that can be verified. On the other hand, he doesn't stop at the facts, and adds some soapboxing to the end.

Personally, I'm on the fence, but won't oppose the result of everyone else deciding what to do one way or the other.

That said, I agree that they may have flown too close to the sun on this. They were warned about such behavior in the past.

"Please note that "Making potentially libellous statements on an opinion page" is listed as grounds for a tempban without warning on the first occurrence."

I’d say it’s more serious than that, since it’s the primary page, not an opinion page.

Kinda torn to be honest. On one hand, he does cite something that was written down and it is a factual statement that can be verified. On the other hand, he doesn't stop at the facts, and adds some soapboxing to the end.

Personally, I'm on the fence, but won't oppose the result of everyone else deciding what to do one way or the other.

I’m kind of in the same boat, if my wording didn’t make it clear. I do think they are trying to do better, and it’s human nature to trip up and backslide while trying to change habits, get heated at seeing certain news, etc. Still, the terms presented to them were cut and dry, so it’s difficult to just ignore it.

We made the decision; we simply failed to implement it.

The wiki's in the middle of the daily "we're too busy backing up data to actually serve pages" period, so he gets another hour at least. I'll wait for four hours (until noon ET); that gives folks a last chance to change their votes if they want.