Thanks. Now I don't have to bite you. ^.^
And I see blackaeronaut did say that. Wonder why I didn't find it before. Did I accidentally turn cases sensitivity for find on again? I hate it when that happens.
I think this really may be the fundamental issue. And it's one where I find myself kind of agreeing with both positions. (Score another "living up to my title" point, maybe.)
Essentially, I see the former as the ideal state. And I think it's enough like that for certain things to not be a major issue, and have posted in the TV Tropes forum to that effect.
But I also think the wiki is non-transparent enough that I don't think it's actually irrational for Fast Eddie, the moderators, and so forth to be believe that they could at some point be held responsible for anything and everything on the wiki at some point. So, while I don't necessarily *like* some of what's happened, or think it all that necesary, I just can't perceive them all as the mustache-twirling villains that some people paint a picture of.
I think it's safe to say there's quite a lot of work involved.
Actually, I'm pretty sure if pressed on it they'd say you were banned for being a dick. I don't think you were necessarily *trying* to do so, but those edits really come across as more of a Take That than an actual attempt to express concerns or to actually document anything.
-Morgan.
And I see blackaeronaut did say that. Wonder why I didn't find it before. Did I accidentally turn cases sensitivity for find on again? I hate it when that happens.
vorticity Wrote:So first, we have go back and define what TV Tropes actually is. And therein lies the problem. I hear phrases passed around on the forums like "It's Fast Eddie's playground, and he lets us play in it." In contrast, other wikis like Wikipedia refer to themselves as a commons, and I tend to think of all large wikis in this way. If you look at it from the former perspective, as only a piece of private property, then what Fast Eddie -- and by extension, the admins and moderators -- say is always appropriate, because Fast Eddie is the Giant in the Playground.
I think this really may be the fundamental issue. And it's one where I find myself kind of agreeing with both positions. (Score another "living up to my title" point, maybe.)
Essentially, I see the former as the ideal state. And I think it's enough like that for certain things to not be a major issue, and have posted in the TV Tropes forum to that effect.
But I also think the wiki is non-transparent enough that I don't think it's actually irrational for Fast Eddie, the moderators, and so forth to be believe that they could at some point be held responsible for anything and everything on the wiki at some point. So, while I don't necessarily *like* some of what's happened, or think it all that necesary, I just can't perceive them all as the mustache-twirling villains that some people paint a picture of.
Quote:And the P5 wasn't an attempt to make the censorship regime look more legitimate, but just a way to parcel out the work.
I think it's safe to say there's quite a lot of work involved.
Quote:And a ban for making the mods angry is just fine, even if I was violating no written policy.
Actually, I'm pretty sure if pressed on it they'd say you were banned for being a dick. I don't think you were necessarily *trying* to do so, but those edits really come across as more of a Take That than an actual attempt to express concerns or to actually document anything.
-Morgan.