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[Morganite]

In this case, there are Trivia subpages for a bunch of articles, which house examples of Trivia Tropes (I'm sure you know this, but I'm saying it for clarity).

In retrospect I think this might be what confused me. Trivia (and YMMV) pages for works are in those namespaces, but the entries for Trivia and YMMV items are in Main. Which is really kind of freaking weird. I'm starting to think changing that would be in 'cure is worse than the disease' territory though.

When you say that the Trivia tropes "really do fit there", what exactly do you mean?  I'd like to be able to have something clear that we can tell people when they ask what kind of trope something is, rather than just to say, "Well, Trivia is all the things that aren't other kind of tropes." Because that's not really helpful at all, and especially so to newcomers.

Well, I'm not sure it's the best way to state it, but my basic idea for what should live on the main work page is "Things that are visible in the work itself". Not everything that doesn't fit that criteria is Trivia, but I'm finding most of what they've got there seems to fit fairly well. Of course, I'm only on the Ds, so there's a lot of ground to cover yet. Still, there's more that feels like it works where it is than I thought there would be when I was skipping around.

I'm not sure whether Production Notes should be a subpage or on the main page. I'm leaning towards "main page", but that's in large part because of concerns about both the proliferation of subpages on popular works, and the way it often looks like subpages exist when they are actually blank. (I'm sure I've asked if you've done something about the latter, but I can't remember if you said anything. Sorry!) If that last part was dealt with, I'd be a lot more supportive of subpaging them.

Christmas Rushed is a trope because rushing the product affects the quality of its content, usually negatively.  It affects the 'telling' part of storytelling, so it's a trope, though the examples on the page are ... meh.

Huh. Still seems kind of borderline to me, but okay.

Acclaimed Flop and Cult Classic both seem like audience reactions, though they're both reasonably easy to provide concrete evidence for.  My guess is that at some point TRS voted to keep Cult Classic off of YMMV, but I can't tell for sure -- I'm still banned from reading the TVT forums.  But they are essentially the same idea (subset of people really like the film that doesn't do as well with the general audience), and thus belong in the same place.  Probably YMMV.

Hadn't someone figured out that you could get read access again by deleting the login cookie from your browser?

I'm not seeing evidence as really being part of whether it's an audience reaction or not. I mean yeah, you can prove the audience reacted, but it's still the audience reacting and all. I'm for putting them both in YMMV too.

Character/Actor relationship: Belong together, and I'd guess in production.  Though you could make an argument for storytelling.  But there's no reason for them to be separate.

When I think about it, there's kind of a chicken/egg question with some of them. Take the one about disabled characters being played by disabled actors. I'm pretty sure I've seen examples of the character being disabled because they wanted to do something with a particular actor, and I've seen examples where they started with the character. And on one level, I feel like the first belongs in "Trope" and the second "Production Notes", but there's not enough difference between the two cases to be separate things, and so it can only go in one. I think I'm leaning more towards the whole lot belonging in PN.

Why the heck am I, a Discordian, trying to order everything?...

I can't help you with that one. (I can, however, ask if that's why there's all those weird font tags that do nothing in that line, or if it's just Yuku being weird. My money's on Yuku being weird though.) I'm coming at this as a Preservationist, and to me a key part of that is maintaining the ability to find and use things.

There's the business side of the entertainment industry (marketing and promotion, for example)... but does this project care about that?

There's stuff that comes up on the wiki about it, but I'm not sure there's any major issues with the current handling.

On a side note, it's kind of petty, but I still feel this strange desire to have one of the first things I do when we've got a wiki be making a page for "Hiiragi Shougakkou Renai Club"...

-Morgan. Yuku, yuku, why must writing replies with quotes be such a chore?