Yeah, it turns out I'm a pragmatist most of the time. And despite everything, having a major site feature be broken versus doing something that only appears to violate our ethics, well, I'd choose the former. The ethic in question is advertising doesn't make editorial decisions. If that's clear, there's no slippery slope.
But this is a problem for our wiki provider too. When they're around on the weekend, we do need to have a talk about this. They can't have a site that claims to be ad-free, but is only functional if you add optional ads. I'm fairly sure we're their largest site in terms of content, so a lot of the kinks are going to have to be worked out through us.
Also props to GethN7 for continually opposing me. We're definitely not a culture of yes men. (We do actually agree on a lot of stuff, and when that happens we just *do it* and let questions get asked later.)
Anyway, on another point. So... Nakama. Actually, let's back up a bit. I was watching Lupin III, and started to think about the tropes applying to a certain Inspector Zenigata. He apparently used to be the trope namer for "Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist" which is, if you think about it, kind of a Word Salad Title and not much fun. It's a contrast to "Inspector Javert" the trope, which doesn't have an explicative title. Now M. Javert is arguably more well known in the West, and the perfect exemplar, but if you don't know who he is you don't know to look. These are the core arguments of all the FORKS and SPOONS and TABLEWARE groups, once again.
And then I look at what happened with Nakama. There is a big debate to change the name which was quashed the first time; the second time "True Companions" was forced through over a lot of objection. And then renamed pretty much everywhere wiki-wide. Two established communities want to refer to the same concept by different names. How about we Take a Third Option: can't we just use both names?
Wikipedia does it quite a bit, where there are multiple things bolded at the top. This is really an extension of the There Is No One True Way policy -- I just need to know if there something makes this a bad idea. The worst I can think of is having people make two trope listings on the same work.
We actually discussed this issue a long time ago for two pages -- I didn't want to resolve it then because we were getting pretty far afield when we needed to know stuff like "what do we name our site" and all. But for now, this is the direction I want to head.
If we did this, there are two wiki features we could use out of the box: redirects and {{DISPLAYTITLE}} (custom titles). Not sure if the custom titles are necessary. We could consider doing something with the alt text descriptions, like we discussed earlier, but I'm pretty sure it's above my current PHP skill level. I'd have to hire someone to implement it, or put it off until we found a volunteer.
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But this is a problem for our wiki provider too. When they're around on the weekend, we do need to have a talk about this. They can't have a site that claims to be ad-free, but is only functional if you add optional ads. I'm fairly sure we're their largest site in terms of content, so a lot of the kinks are going to have to be worked out through us.
Also props to GethN7 for continually opposing me. We're definitely not a culture of yes men. (We do actually agree on a lot of stuff, and when that happens we just *do it* and let questions get asked later.)
Anyway, on another point. So... Nakama. Actually, let's back up a bit. I was watching Lupin III, and started to think about the tropes applying to a certain Inspector Zenigata. He apparently used to be the trope namer for "Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist" which is, if you think about it, kind of a Word Salad Title and not much fun. It's a contrast to "Inspector Javert" the trope, which doesn't have an explicative title. Now M. Javert is arguably more well known in the West, and the perfect exemplar, but if you don't know who he is you don't know to look. These are the core arguments of all the FORKS and SPOONS and TABLEWARE groups, once again.
And then I look at what happened with Nakama. There is a big debate to change the name which was quashed the first time; the second time "True Companions" was forced through over a lot of objection. And then renamed pretty much everywhere wiki-wide. Two established communities want to refer to the same concept by different names. How about we Take a Third Option: can't we just use both names?
Wikipedia does it quite a bit, where there are multiple things bolded at the top. This is really an extension of the There Is No One True Way policy -- I just need to know if there something makes this a bad idea. The worst I can think of is having people make two trope listings on the same work.
We actually discussed this issue a long time ago for two pages -- I didn't want to resolve it then because we were getting pretty far afield when we needed to know stuff like "what do we name our site" and all. But for now, this is the direction I want to head.
If we did this, there are two wiki features we could use out of the box: redirects and {{DISPLAYTITLE}} (custom titles). Not sure if the custom titles are necessary. We could consider doing something with the alt text descriptions, like we discussed earlier, but I'm pretty sure it's above my current PHP skill level. I'd have to hire someone to implement it, or put it off until we found a volunteer.
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