I mainly brought up the category thing because it annoys me, and since I'm essentially the structural architect of the wiki, I want to know why people are ignoring my structure.
My main argument is that it's Square Peg Round Trope, insofar as you're taking something that's supposed to be an index and using it as a content page. The main advantage is that you get automatic tracking of new pages. But what really are you tracking? Not trope subpages, as it groups everything else in. Also by default, you include the main page category, which means you get a recursive category. That's not really awesome.
The other way to do auto-updating is to use the {{subpages}} template. Not only does it track new pages, but it doesn't have to repeat the name of the work every time. And it's very easy to customize -- we could wrap it in CSS to put it in columns. Or we could make it strip out known subpages like recap or quotes pages -- which is definitely not something we want to do with category pages. The only downside here is that new page won't be added immediately, but might take a few hours or a page purge -- just the way our caching works.
But if we use redirect tropes we end up with a bunch of tropes that don't get the correct link color, which makes that less useful. Plus it makes subcategories less useful. To find a trope in a category, you don't know which part of the page to look on. I've spent a lot of time on making the categories work, and I feel like things have gotten worse instead of better since I stopped working on them.
The argument about InputBox is meh, because there's already an extra way to create new subpages in the Create New part of {{trope}}/{{work}}. More attention, sure. Do we need to clutter up the wiki with reminders on how to edit the wiki? I thought that was TVT's game.
Also Geth -- super cool how you brought up a private concern in a public forum without telling me, or presenting any of my opinions. Thanks a lot man.
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My main argument is that it's Square Peg Round Trope, insofar as you're taking something that's supposed to be an index and using it as a content page. The main advantage is that you get automatic tracking of new pages. But what really are you tracking? Not trope subpages, as it groups everything else in. Also by default, you include the main page category, which means you get a recursive category. That's not really awesome.
The other way to do auto-updating is to use the {{subpages}} template. Not only does it track new pages, but it doesn't have to repeat the name of the work every time. And it's very easy to customize -- we could wrap it in CSS to put it in columns. Or we could make it strip out known subpages like recap or quotes pages -- which is definitely not something we want to do with category pages. The only downside here is that new page won't be added immediately, but might take a few hours or a page purge -- just the way our caching works.
But if we use redirect tropes we end up with a bunch of tropes that don't get the correct link color, which makes that less useful. Plus it makes subcategories less useful. To find a trope in a category, you don't know which part of the page to look on. I've spent a lot of time on making the categories work, and I feel like things have gotten worse instead of better since I stopped working on them.
The argument about InputBox is meh, because there's already an extra way to create new subpages in the Create New part of {{trope}}/{{work}}. More attention, sure. Do we need to clutter up the wiki with reminders on how to edit the wiki? I thought that was TVT's game.
Also Geth -- super cool how you brought up a private concern in a public forum without telling me, or presenting any of my opinions. Thanks a lot man.
-- ∇×V