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Why I love DW II (and hate it)
Re: Still a response to me
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Not sure if that's a bad thing or not. I certainly don't mean to be "disconcerting" or "intimidating", but I don't think that criticism in its positive sense (which I hope I've been, and if I have not I shall promptly shut up) is neccessarily bad.
No, I'm not objecting to the criticism. It's just that you're coming from an angle that makes me doubt whether I've accomplished what I set out to do.
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If the violence isn't the point, why is there so much of it?
As Josh said, because it's BGC and to an extent that's the nature of the beast. MegaTokyo is a violent place, whether or not Doug is there.
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Nene had an ARC?
Yes, she does. At the risk of saying too much, she's intentionally emblematic of a number of things going on in the story at several different levels. And before anyone asks, yes, there are deliberate parallels and echoes between the aftermaths of the Nene-Maggie and Doug-Nene conflicts.
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While, yes, I can see it, Linna makes for a pretty funny conscience.
What's so funny about it? She's the most centered and the most "normal" of the four in canon. If any of them could step back and look at things from a purely objective viewpoint, it would be Linna, who has no axes to grind nor is swamped in innocent idealism.
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"No money? NO MONEY? B-but . . *sputter, sputter*.
Definitely a fanfic convention, although she is financially astute. As I recall, Priss makes just as many comments about money, in the same vein. They just haven't become part of her stereotype.
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She can, as the saying goes, trust her with your life, just not your money.
Why not? She's a stockbroker now, if we are to believe Crash! That means she has to be minimally trustworthy enough to get hired in the first place... and she deals with millions of other people's yen every day.
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I like to think of her sitting in a darkened room, stroking a white cat and having a good maniacal laugh to herself.
Snort. "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to upgrade."
If Sylia has a master plan other than "kill the boomers that show up this time." she hasn't showed it. I long ago joined the camp that believes that she is acting on an external compulsion to enact revenge for her father, implanted and/or activated when she got that cartridge way back when. I don't believe there is any kind of master plan, and that's why so much of the fighting in BGC is ultimately futile. It's unfocused.
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Surely he must have enjoyed it a little?
Josh already addressed this more than adequately.
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And a hostile Leon will not flirt with you, making the world a sadder place. Daley will flirt with you, but that's because Daley's a much nicer person.
And a hostile Leon will send you a bill for a new Earthshaker.
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Yeah, how's her arc coming along?
Lisa gets a lot more screen time in chapter 13. Don't worry about her.
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But there wasn't, as far as I could see, that one moment where he realizes the futility of street fighting.
Well, remember, almost all of chapter 12 took place in what, about ten minutes or so. He hasn't had the time yet to reflect on what happened and what Hexe told him. That happens in 13.
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To me, he seems pretty darn invincible.
It's certainly the image he wants to project -- think of how many times in the story he's injured (sometimes badly) and keeps going strong despite that. Part of that is reflecting the V&V rules, where physical damage doesn't slow you down until you pass out at 0 HP, but part of it is also the Warriors Image thing -- "We are implacable, we are unstoppable, we are standing on your mangled corpse."
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And given how fricking mobile and FAST (superluminal? That's fast. That's faster than fast.) how anything could be out of his range is quite hard to believe.
Okay, remember, as Josh points out, that other than his inherent physical mutations, Doug can really do only one spectacular thing at a time. (Sometimes it looks like more, but we quantify with V&V rules, which often roll several effects into a single power -- Lightning Control, for instance, lets you fling bolts with the best, but also lets you remotely control or short out anything electrical or electronic.) If he's flying FTL, then he has no ranged attacks. If he has ranged attacks, he can't walk through walls. And so on. Think of it as a lot like Ultra-Boy's (from LSH) schtick.
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Oh, well, I guess if you hit him with an orbital laser platform or a really long shot . . . but that's not very dramatic, is it?
Depends on how you present it. If you've been paying attention for the last few chapters, you should realize that Madigan is planning something that clearly involves the latter.
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I'm reminded that it took a couple nukes to take out Twister, and even then it only got a couple of his limbs.
I know the passage you're thinking of, and it wasn't nukes, but conventional explosives -- a lot of them. And frankly, Twister would wipe the floor with Doug -- I'm not even as confident on this issue as Josh is.
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I still think that Doug needs a bit more "believable" conflict, some more defeats that aren't so emotional,
Let me just say, wait for the next two chapters. Things are going somewhere that, while I've shown you the path already, I doubt you're expecting. Of all the readers who've posted anything about it, only Logan Darklighter has even guessed what I've got in store -- and even he didn't get the whole story.

-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
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Messages In This Thread
Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Murmur the Fallen - 01-26-2003, 02:44 PM
Re: Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Valles - 01-27-2003, 06:10 PM
Re: Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Zojojojo - 01-28-2003, 12:22 AM
rampaping boomers? *what* rampaging boomers? - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 05:43 AM
oh, THAT rampaging boomer - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 12:32 PM
clarification - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 12:38 PM
Re: clarification - by Bob Schroeck - 02-11-2003, 05:24 PM
Re: clarification - by Bob Schroeck - 02-11-2003, 10:00 PM
Sentience? Perception? - by ECSNorway - 02-12-2003, 01:09 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Valles - 02-12-2003, 02:06 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Logan Darklighter - 02-12-2003, 03:45 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-12-2003, 08:55 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-12-2003, 08:57 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Trodamus - 02-18-2003, 04:45 AM
Canon? We don' need no stinkin' canon! - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-19-2003, 11:43 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-19-2003, 04:55 PM
Ah, Doug... - by ECSNorway - 02-19-2003, 09:34 PM
Re: Ah, Doug... - by Bob Schroeck - 02-19-2003, 09:44 PM
well, okay, that's better then, isn't it? - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-28-2003, 02:23 AM
re: well, okay - by Murmur the Fallen - 03-05-2003, 03:06 AM
Re: re: well, okay - by Bob Schroeck - 03-05-2003, 05:04 PM
"too much time on my hands" - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-09-2003, 03:37 AM
Re: "too much time on my hands" - by Bob Schroeck - 04-09-2003, 01:39 PM
Re: "too much time on my hands" - by Bob Schroeck - 04-09-2003, 06:59 PM
response to response to response to response - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-10-2003, 01:17 AM
leaping to conclusion - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-26-2003, 05:41 AM
It's cool and all, but . . . - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-26-2003, 05:55 AM
hold on a sec . . . - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-27-2003, 12:22 AM
For my part I love DW - by Logan Darklighter - 04-27-2003, 06:22 PM
Re: leaping to conclusion - by Bob Schroeck - 04-28-2003, 01:22 PM
Not enough time... - by Bob Schroeck - 04-28-2003, 01:26 PM
I haven't forgotten - by Bob Schroeck - 05-12-2003, 07:25 PM
Still a response to me - by Murmur the Fallen - 05-15-2003, 03:10 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by Offsides - 05-15-2003, 03:41 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-15-2003, 02:19 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-15-2003, 02:23 PM
Signs, signs everywhere, and not a stop to drink - by Murmur the Fallen - 05-16-2003, 07:30 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by itsune9tl - 05-22-2003, 07:56 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Star Ranger4 - 05-22-2003, 09:21 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Offsides - 05-22-2003, 09:37 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-23-2003, 12:43 AM
no big whoop - by Murmur the Fallen - 06-03-2003, 04:19 AM
nukes in Twisted Path - by drakensis - 06-05-2003, 11:53 AM
Re: nukes in Twisted Path - by Bob Schroeck - 06-07-2003, 12:10 AM
response to response ad infinitum - by Murmur the Fallen - 06-12-2003, 01:48 PM

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