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Why I love DW II (and hate it)
Re: Signs, signs everywhere, and not a stop to drink
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As for telling a good story, you've accomplished that from my point of view, despite the many nagging nitpicks i've posted here and which you should probably ignore.
How can I ignore the only substantial non-prereader criticism I've gotten on the structure and direction of the story? Believe me, even when I don't agree with you, I want to see what you say.
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Yeah, you're right there. Sylia should make a new rule: "Do not make friends outside of the Knight Sabers. They will die in as ironic a way possible.
Nah, that'll just kick in higher levels of the Law of Conservation of Victims, and the Sabers'll start dropping.
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But as for being the conscience . . . wouldn't you kind of want it to *have* a sort of ...well, if not innocent, at least determined idealism? like nene?
Yes, under most circumstances Nene would make a good conscience for the Sabers. However, in DW2, Nene's caught in her own crisis of conscience, having discovered that it's possible her idealism has taken her somewhere she doesn't want to be, and can't believe she'd be. Linna is enough of a realist that she can look at the Sabers and their mission from an objective point of view, and Nene can't. Nene's caught up in being The Heroine, who by defnition Always Does Good -- that's the trap of her idealism, and when Doug points out that from another point of view she could easily be a murderer -- a Villain -- she goes into a mental tailspin. She can't be the conscience, then, because she's lacking and looking for the kind of moral and ethical compass that Linna, being more worldly and more objective, can provide.
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or does it go counter to her arc?
Yes -- see above.
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But is she above a little insider trading?
I see no evidence of her being unethical or criminal in her dealings, although the amount of time we see her at her job in Crash! is miniscule.
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Groovy. Lisa has definately been the break out character of this piece.
Believe me, I'm as gratified as you, especially considering she was never anywhere near the original plot of the story! She only entered the tale around the second or third revision. I had always intended to keep Doug at one remove or further from the Sabers -- part of the anti-SI thing -- but I realized I needed someone who could move back and forth between him and them. I didn't want to create another new character, so after some browsing about, I picked Lisa, who had the added bonus that she was able and believably willing to do all kinds of wild things, as long as she could justify it as being for her journalistic efforts. And she just sorta grew from there. As I've said before, the "Sailor Loon" thing was originally a gag I wrote for my early prereaders, but then it got folded into the story for real, and that required changes and additions to Lisa that I had to back-propagate through the plot. (Her gymnastics background, for instance -- and we'll see a little bit more of that in Chapter 13, btw.)
Oh, and if Lisa had never been in the plot, Madigan's subplot with her own crisis of conscience would never have come about. That was never part of the original story; it wasn't even part of the story as late as chapter 4 or so! It grew out of another silly thought -- "what if Madigan were a Sailor Moon fan, too? How would she react to seeing Lisa in action?" But instead of coming out silly, it snowballed into something serious. (The silly got transplanted into all the unlikely Sailor Moon fans elsewhere in the story -- not originally intended as a running gag, but that's what it turned into.)
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Okay, I'm taking the long view.
Well, I have to apologize there. I had hoped that Chapter 13 would be done by now.
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Warriors: jackbooted thugs of the new world order . . . but with a sense of humor.
We're not thugs. "Thug" is such an ugly word. We're... talented muscle.
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So, any chance of a redemptive Madigan scene, soon?
Okay, a spoiler. Yes. If the chapter structure doesn't change, before the end of chapter 14.
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Really? I thought for sure there were nukes.
I guess I'll have to go find my copy of TP3 and look, now.

-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
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Messages In This Thread
Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Murmur the Fallen - 01-26-2003, 02:44 PM
Re: Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Valles - 01-27-2003, 06:10 PM
Re: Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Zojojojo - 01-28-2003, 12:22 AM
rampaping boomers? *what* rampaging boomers? - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 05:43 AM
oh, THAT rampaging boomer - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 12:32 PM
clarification - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 12:38 PM
Re: clarification - by Bob Schroeck - 02-11-2003, 05:24 PM
Re: clarification - by Bob Schroeck - 02-11-2003, 10:00 PM
Sentience? Perception? - by ECSNorway - 02-12-2003, 01:09 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Valles - 02-12-2003, 02:06 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Logan Darklighter - 02-12-2003, 03:45 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-12-2003, 08:55 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-12-2003, 08:57 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Trodamus - 02-18-2003, 04:45 AM
Canon? We don' need no stinkin' canon! - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-19-2003, 11:43 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-19-2003, 04:55 PM
Ah, Doug... - by ECSNorway - 02-19-2003, 09:34 PM
Re: Ah, Doug... - by Bob Schroeck - 02-19-2003, 09:44 PM
well, okay, that's better then, isn't it? - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-28-2003, 02:23 AM
re: well, okay - by Murmur the Fallen - 03-05-2003, 03:06 AM
Re: re: well, okay - by Bob Schroeck - 03-05-2003, 05:04 PM
"too much time on my hands" - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-09-2003, 03:37 AM
Re: "too much time on my hands" - by Bob Schroeck - 04-09-2003, 01:39 PM
Re: "too much time on my hands" - by Bob Schroeck - 04-09-2003, 06:59 PM
response to response to response to response - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-10-2003, 01:17 AM
leaping to conclusion - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-26-2003, 05:41 AM
It's cool and all, but . . . - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-26-2003, 05:55 AM
hold on a sec . . . - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-27-2003, 12:22 AM
For my part I love DW - by Logan Darklighter - 04-27-2003, 06:22 PM
Re: leaping to conclusion - by Bob Schroeck - 04-28-2003, 01:22 PM
Not enough time... - by Bob Schroeck - 04-28-2003, 01:26 PM
I haven't forgotten - by Bob Schroeck - 05-12-2003, 07:25 PM
Still a response to me - by Murmur the Fallen - 05-15-2003, 03:10 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by Offsides - 05-15-2003, 03:41 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-15-2003, 02:19 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-15-2003, 02:23 PM
Signs, signs everywhere, and not a stop to drink - by Murmur the Fallen - 05-16-2003, 07:30 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by itsune9tl - 05-22-2003, 07:56 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Star Ranger4 - 05-22-2003, 09:21 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Offsides - 05-22-2003, 09:37 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-23-2003, 12:43 AM
no big whoop - by Murmur the Fallen - 06-03-2003, 04:19 AM
Re: Signs, signs everywhere, and not a stop to drink - by Bob Schroeck - 06-04-2003, 02:10 PM
nukes in Twisted Path - by drakensis - 06-05-2003, 11:53 AM
Re: nukes in Twisted Path - by Bob Schroeck - 06-07-2003, 12:10 AM
response to response ad infinitum - by Murmur the Fallen - 06-12-2003, 01:48 PM

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