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Why I love DW II (and hate it)
response to response ad infinitum
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How can I ignore the only substantial non-prereader criticism I've gotten on the structure and direction of the story? Believe me, even when I don't agree with you, I want to see what you say.
[Hey, far out. Now I'm motivated to comb through your next chapter with a *really* fine tooth comb. moo hoo ha ha.]

Yes, under most circumstances Nene would make a good conscience for the Sabers. However, in DW2, Nene's caught in her own crisis of conscience, having discovered that it's possible her idealism has taken her somewhere she doesn't want to be, and can't believe she'd be. Linna is enough of a realist that she can look at the Sabers and their mission from an objective point of view, and Nene can't. Nene's caught up in being The Heroine, who by defnition Always Does Good -- that's the trap of her idealism, and when Doug points out that from another point of view she could easily be a murderer -- a Villain -- she goes into a mental tailspin. She can't be the conscience, then, because she's lacking and looking for the kind of moral and ethical compass that Linna, being more worldly and more objective, can provide.
[I suppose I see a bit more maturity in Nene than you, though I agree that she wants to be a heroine. But I do have a thought: is it possible for someone to grow up in MegaTokyo without enough cynicism to sort of deflect Doug's facile argument? I mean, she'd have to be Michael Jackson's kids level sheltered to not be able to forgoe the mental and moral tailspin you describe.
and is having a wordly, compromising conscience a good thing? after all, isn't a conscience about not compromising in the face of evil?]

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But is she above a little insider trading?
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I see no evidence of her being unethical or criminal in her dealings, although the amount of time we see her at her job in Crash! is miniscule.
[Since she's not above being unethical and criminal in her job as a mercenary, I'm not sure why it's such a big leap to white collar crime.]

Oh, and if Lisa had never been in the plot, Madigan's subplot with her own crisis of conscience would never have come about. That was never part of the original story; it wasn't even part of the story as late as chapter 4 or so! It grew out of another silly thought -- "what if Madigan were a Sailor Moon fan, too? How would she react to seeing Lisa in action?" But instead of coming out silly, it snowballed into something serious. (The silly got transplanted into all the unlikely Sailor Moon fans elsewhere in the story -- not originally intended as a running gag, but that's what it turned into.)
[But now how does Doug deal with the metafictional aspect of his walk into the Sailor Moon universe?]

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So, any chance of a redemptive Madigan scene, soon?
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Okay, a spoiler. Yes. If the chapter structure doesn't change, before the end of chapter 14.
[That's great. I've always had a place in my heart for our resident lavender-haired corporate lackey.]
-murmur
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Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Murmur the Fallen - 01-26-2003, 02:44 PM
Re: Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Valles - 01-27-2003, 06:10 PM
Re: Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Zojojojo - 01-28-2003, 12:22 AM
rampaping boomers? *what* rampaging boomers? - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 05:43 AM
oh, THAT rampaging boomer - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 12:32 PM
clarification - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 12:38 PM
Re: clarification - by Bob Schroeck - 02-11-2003, 05:24 PM
Re: clarification - by Bob Schroeck - 02-11-2003, 10:00 PM
Sentience? Perception? - by ECSNorway - 02-12-2003, 01:09 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Valles - 02-12-2003, 02:06 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Logan Darklighter - 02-12-2003, 03:45 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-12-2003, 08:55 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-12-2003, 08:57 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Trodamus - 02-18-2003, 04:45 AM
Canon? We don' need no stinkin' canon! - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-19-2003, 11:43 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-19-2003, 04:55 PM
Ah, Doug... - by ECSNorway - 02-19-2003, 09:34 PM
Re: Ah, Doug... - by Bob Schroeck - 02-19-2003, 09:44 PM
well, okay, that's better then, isn't it? - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-28-2003, 02:23 AM
re: well, okay - by Murmur the Fallen - 03-05-2003, 03:06 AM
Re: re: well, okay - by Bob Schroeck - 03-05-2003, 05:04 PM
"too much time on my hands" - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-09-2003, 03:37 AM
Re: "too much time on my hands" - by Bob Schroeck - 04-09-2003, 01:39 PM
Re: "too much time on my hands" - by Bob Schroeck - 04-09-2003, 06:59 PM
response to response to response to response - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-10-2003, 01:17 AM
leaping to conclusion - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-26-2003, 05:41 AM
It's cool and all, but . . . - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-26-2003, 05:55 AM
hold on a sec . . . - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-27-2003, 12:22 AM
For my part I love DW - by Logan Darklighter - 04-27-2003, 06:22 PM
Re: leaping to conclusion - by Bob Schroeck - 04-28-2003, 01:22 PM
Not enough time... - by Bob Schroeck - 04-28-2003, 01:26 PM
I haven't forgotten - by Bob Schroeck - 05-12-2003, 07:25 PM
Still a response to me - by Murmur the Fallen - 05-15-2003, 03:10 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by Offsides - 05-15-2003, 03:41 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-15-2003, 02:19 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-15-2003, 02:23 PM
Signs, signs everywhere, and not a stop to drink - by Murmur the Fallen - 05-16-2003, 07:30 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by itsune9tl - 05-22-2003, 07:56 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Star Ranger4 - 05-22-2003, 09:21 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Offsides - 05-22-2003, 09:37 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-23-2003, 12:43 AM
no big whoop - by Murmur the Fallen - 06-03-2003, 04:19 AM
nukes in Twisted Path - by drakensis - 06-05-2003, 11:53 AM
Re: nukes in Twisted Path - by Bob Schroeck - 06-07-2003, 12:10 AM
response to response ad infinitum - by Murmur the Fallen - 06-12-2003, 01:48 PM

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