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Why I love DW II (and hate it)
Re: response to response ad infinitum
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Thought I'd throw my $0.02 in here...
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I suppose I see a bit more maturity in Nene than you, though I agree that she wants to be a heroine. But I do have a thought: is it possible for someone to grow up in MegaTokyo without enough cynicism to sort of deflect Doug's facile argument? I mean, she'd have to be Michael Jackson's kids level sheltered to not be able to forgoe the mental and moral tailspin you describe.
Belief and denial are funny mechanisms. There are people today who have nigh-unshakeable belief that some people are Noble Heroes and others are Utter Bastards. The only way to break that belief is to throw a counterexample as hard as you possibly can at it. For example, most of the American public figured Nixon was a good, decent man until Watergate broke and showed him as... less than completely honest. Even then, there was a minority that was steadfast in believing it was all a horrible misunderstanding, or maybe a commie setup.
Now, Nene's had this kind of counter-truth thrown at her before we get to DW, in the form of Sylvie, Anri and Adama. For the most part, she's remained firm in her beliefs - it helped first of all that Nene never had the same level of direct connection to those three that Priss had, and it helped that they were, essentially, dupes in larger plans by more unsavory individuals - but the cracks were already there, if narrow and overlooked.
IMNSHO, I'm kinda following Offsides' train of thought; if Sylia (and come to think of it, Leon as well) hadn't hesitated when asked directly about boomers being people, I think Nene would have been sufficiently "cynical" enough to at least gloss over her doubts, and maybe think it through a little more rationally. But they didn't, and she didn't, and so things proceeded as they did.
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Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Murmur the Fallen - 01-26-2003, 02:44 PM
Re: Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Valles - 01-27-2003, 06:10 PM
Re: Why I love DW II (and hate it) - by Zojojojo - 01-28-2003, 12:22 AM
rampaping boomers? *what* rampaging boomers? - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 05:43 AM
oh, THAT rampaging boomer - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 12:32 PM
clarification - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-11-2003, 12:38 PM
Re: clarification - by Bob Schroeck - 02-11-2003, 05:24 PM
Re: clarification - by Bob Schroeck - 02-11-2003, 10:00 PM
Sentience? Perception? - by ECSNorway - 02-12-2003, 01:09 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Valles - 02-12-2003, 02:06 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Logan Darklighter - 02-12-2003, 03:45 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-12-2003, 08:55 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-12-2003, 08:57 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Trodamus - 02-18-2003, 04:45 AM
Canon? We don' need no stinkin' canon! - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-19-2003, 11:43 AM
Re: Sentience? Perception? - by Bob Schroeck - 02-19-2003, 04:55 PM
Ah, Doug... - by ECSNorway - 02-19-2003, 09:34 PM
Re: Ah, Doug... - by Bob Schroeck - 02-19-2003, 09:44 PM
well, okay, that's better then, isn't it? - by Murmur the Fallen - 02-28-2003, 02:23 AM
re: well, okay - by Murmur the Fallen - 03-05-2003, 03:06 AM
Re: re: well, okay - by Bob Schroeck - 03-05-2003, 05:04 PM
"too much time on my hands" - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-09-2003, 03:37 AM
Re: "too much time on my hands" - by Bob Schroeck - 04-09-2003, 01:39 PM
Re: "too much time on my hands" - by Bob Schroeck - 04-09-2003, 06:59 PM
response to response to response to response - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-10-2003, 01:17 AM
leaping to conclusion - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-26-2003, 05:41 AM
It's cool and all, but . . . - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-26-2003, 05:55 AM
hold on a sec . . . - by Murmur the Fallen - 04-27-2003, 12:22 AM
For my part I love DW - by Logan Darklighter - 04-27-2003, 06:22 PM
Re: leaping to conclusion - by Bob Schroeck - 04-28-2003, 01:22 PM
Not enough time... - by Bob Schroeck - 04-28-2003, 01:26 PM
I haven't forgotten - by Bob Schroeck - 05-12-2003, 07:25 PM
Still a response to me - by Murmur the Fallen - 05-15-2003, 03:10 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by Offsides - 05-15-2003, 03:41 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-15-2003, 02:19 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-15-2003, 02:23 PM
Signs, signs everywhere, and not a stop to drink - by Murmur the Fallen - 05-16-2003, 07:30 AM
Re: Still a response to me - by itsune9tl - 05-22-2003, 07:56 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Star Ranger4 - 05-22-2003, 09:21 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Offsides - 05-22-2003, 09:37 PM
Re: Still a response to me - by Bob Schroeck - 05-23-2003, 12:43 AM
no big whoop - by Murmur the Fallen - 06-03-2003, 04:19 AM
nukes in Twisted Path - by drakensis - 06-05-2003, 11:53 AM
Re: nukes in Twisted Path - by Bob Schroeck - 06-07-2003, 12:10 AM
response to response ad infinitum - by Murmur the Fallen - 06-12-2003, 01:48 PM
Re: response to response ad infinitum - by M Fnord - 06-13-2003, 01:56 AM

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