THIS is a general reply to much of what I've seen, but don't feel like copy-and-pasting on.
REI (and LILITH) as "Celestial" (which is defined as "of or relating to heaven, or sublime):
. . . I . . . guess . . .
Though it's important to remember two things about Eva: the Angels were stated to have been "possible forms of man" AS WELL AS the children of Adam; whereas men were the children of Lilith, the Lilim, who was cast out of Eden and had children by demons.
So: celestial, yes. Lilith is celestial, but not sublime.
This may be a bit of a digression, but there was a gnostic sect named the Adamites who believed that Adam reincarnated through history, eventually becoming Jesus.
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I suppose, before I speak, which Rei are we talking about here, Rei II or Rei III?
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Well, by the very fact that Doug's coming into the story more or less in the middle of the Seventh Angel affair, this is by necessity Rei II.
[Ah, okay. So, the almost normal Rei, then.]
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Is Rei's closed-mouth and strange outlook on life the fact that she's had a very f**cked up childhood
Or that she is very much aware of what she is and why she's here and as well as having a very *alien* outlook on life?
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That's a very good question, and important for characterization. I'm still studying the show to learn more, but it seems to me that it's a bit of both. By the time of epsiodes 25/26, D&R and EoE (if not earlier), Rei certainly seems aware that she's something other than a simple human being, and is informed enough that she can (at least in some interpretations) thwart Gendo by choosing a different path through the process of Third Impact.
[that's how I see it, by golly!]
She has to know that she's different in some fundamental way earlier, too, simply by virtue of the fact that she's frequently in the presence of the tanked clones.
[uh huh.]
But I also think that XenoP is right that she's "functionally autistic", and that it was intentionally induced (as Nathan says) as a matter of control.
[hmm. won't really argue, there's enough leeway for either interpretation.
by "functionally autistic," does this mean that she has autism but can function, or what she has isn't autism but ACTS LIKE IT? (ain't english grand?)]
Certainly a Rei like the one in Shinji's ep 26 alternate universe would never have let herself be used as she was.
[was that a plug for GARDEN OF EVA?]
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So is there, with Rei, anything TO fix? Is she one of the walking broken, as the others are?
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I've spent a while trying to figure out how to reply to this without giving things away. I'll have to risk this answer: Within the context of the Drunkard's Walk, yes -- Rei is (intentionally) deprived of her social and emotional heritage on both sides of her ancestry.
[okay.
[No, wait; not okay. Nokay! Do the angels/lilith HAVE a social and emotional heritage?
And if so, is this because you are trying to fit Eva's cosmology into your (i.e. gods are powerful children who represent cosmic forces, like how the norns in amg now represent the triune goddess dealy with the moons, and nature, and cats, and feminine power or how nyarlathotep represents pessimistic jerkfaces) cosmology, with doug being able to contact gods through songs like "grandma got run over by a reindeer"?
not that there's anything wrong with that. really. i guess. maybe i should just shut up about canon. it's not like he's going to follow amg manga exactly, anyway, so why worry . . .
-murmur
who says: Doug in SCRYED! See Doug conflicted between keeping those damned out of control alters in line and not being part of that damned fascist government org.
or, alternately: Doug in BGC 2040!
"You know, Priss, no matter which universe you're in, you'll always be a sour persimmon."
REI (and LILITH) as "Celestial" (which is defined as "of or relating to heaven, or sublime):
. . . I . . . guess . . .
Though it's important to remember two things about Eva: the Angels were stated to have been "possible forms of man" AS WELL AS the children of Adam; whereas men were the children of Lilith, the Lilim, who was cast out of Eden and had children by demons.
So: celestial, yes. Lilith is celestial, but not sublime.
This may be a bit of a digression, but there was a gnostic sect named the Adamites who believed that Adam reincarnated through history, eventually becoming Jesus.
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I suppose, before I speak, which Rei are we talking about here, Rei II or Rei III?
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Well, by the very fact that Doug's coming into the story more or less in the middle of the Seventh Angel affair, this is by necessity Rei II.
[Ah, okay. So, the almost normal Rei, then.]
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Is Rei's closed-mouth and strange outlook on life the fact that she's had a very f**cked up childhood
Or that she is very much aware of what she is and why she's here and as well as having a very *alien* outlook on life?
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That's a very good question, and important for characterization. I'm still studying the show to learn more, but it seems to me that it's a bit of both. By the time of epsiodes 25/26, D&R and EoE (if not earlier), Rei certainly seems aware that she's something other than a simple human being, and is informed enough that she can (at least in some interpretations) thwart Gendo by choosing a different path through the process of Third Impact.
[that's how I see it, by golly!]
She has to know that she's different in some fundamental way earlier, too, simply by virtue of the fact that she's frequently in the presence of the tanked clones.
[uh huh.]
But I also think that XenoP is right that she's "functionally autistic", and that it was intentionally induced (as Nathan says) as a matter of control.
[hmm. won't really argue, there's enough leeway for either interpretation.
by "functionally autistic," does this mean that she has autism but can function, or what she has isn't autism but ACTS LIKE IT? (ain't english grand?)]
Certainly a Rei like the one in Shinji's ep 26 alternate universe would never have let herself be used as she was.
[was that a plug for GARDEN OF EVA?]
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So is there, with Rei, anything TO fix? Is she one of the walking broken, as the others are?
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I've spent a while trying to figure out how to reply to this without giving things away. I'll have to risk this answer: Within the context of the Drunkard's Walk, yes -- Rei is (intentionally) deprived of her social and emotional heritage on both sides of her ancestry.
[okay.
[No, wait; not okay. Nokay! Do the angels/lilith HAVE a social and emotional heritage?
And if so, is this because you are trying to fit Eva's cosmology into your (i.e. gods are powerful children who represent cosmic forces, like how the norns in amg now represent the triune goddess dealy with the moons, and nature, and cats, and feminine power or how nyarlathotep represents pessimistic jerkfaces) cosmology, with doug being able to contact gods through songs like "grandma got run over by a reindeer"?
not that there's anything wrong with that. really. i guess. maybe i should just shut up about canon. it's not like he's going to follow amg manga exactly, anyway, so why worry . . .
-murmur
who says: Doug in SCRYED! See Doug conflicted between keeping those damned out of control alters in line and not being part of that damned fascist government org.
or, alternately: Doug in BGC 2040!
"You know, Priss, no matter which universe you're in, you'll always be a sour persimmon."