Subject: Re: [smof-politics] Thought for solving two housing crises, but is the cost too high?
From: "Gen. Mal Fnord, VVS" (fnord@sovietairforce.fen)
Reply-To: smof-politics@smofcon.fen
Date: 2014/2/12 09:02
To: undisclosed-recipients
> Whoah! Easy with the vitriol there. (O_o)
Hm. How about "no." I put up with too much capitalist nonsense in my life as it is; I see no reason to mollycoddle you lot 24/7. Sack up and take it like a man, or whine and take it like a libertarian.
> And there's something else. Do you honestly expect that these people
> are going to get something for nothing?
That would be the general game plan, yes. People without proper housing would get proper housing without having to beg like dogs. Wasn't that the point of this?
> I mean, sure, home ownership
> is a good thing for the community, but I got photographic evidence of
> what a neighborhood can turn into if the homes are just forked over
> without ever having to work for it. The neighborhood of my Mother's
> family is one such example. It used to be a nice little place, if
> underdeveloped. But, as time passed and one generation passed away
> to the next, so did the houses they live in. And, not having to pay
> a dime, the neighborhood turned into a slum.
And I have photographic evidence of what happens when you let your workers live in slums and don't lift a goddamn finger to help. It ain't pretty, Benjamin, not in the least is it pretty.
> Adding a pricetag to this is simply going
> to make sure that responsible and productive people live in these
> homes.
And the responsible and productive people who can't meet that pricetag? Well, who cares about them, they're just poors. It's no skin off *your* nose they're stuck in bad housing.
> And something else you seem to have forgotten. We are Fen. We are
> self-made pioneers.
I'm pretty sure Gina might object to your claim of being "self-made," considering all the times she's pulled your ass out of the fire. Or Haruhi for that matter, considering she's the one who got you your big break in the hero business.
*You* might consider yourself to be a Randian archetype that sprang fully-formed from Zeus' brow; *I* have no such illusions.
> If one of us lives in squalor, then it is because that person
> chooses to do so.
Really, Ben? *Really?*
I remind you that the whole reason we're having this argument is that there is a *housing shortage* in Port Lowell which means that people are living in substandard conditions. I'm sure those people in overcrowded apartment blocks would love to know you think so little of their *choice* to come out here and find a better life.
And that's what this is about, Ben. We're out here to build a better life, not just for us but for *everybody.* We claim superiority over the 'Danelaw, and yet people in the third-biggest city in the system can't find proper shelter? This is a *joke!* As long as *any* person in Fenspace can't meet their animal needs, or their animal needs are poorly and haphazardly met, any claim to being better than the nations of Earth is invalid. We're not perfect by any means, but by Lord Xenu and all the saints we should be able to leave the sins of the old world *behind* us when we come out here!
And if you can't see that, then I pity you.
--Mal
OOC: This comes off as more than a bit harsh, and well... there's reasons for it. Part of it's based in RL: my recent medical adventure has left me with less empathy for the 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' argument than I had (which was damned little to begin with). Part of is that FS!Mal grew up in Fairplay, CO, which is not the most economically successful part of a relatively poor state, and that's colored a lot of his expectations re: capital and socialism.
So, yeah. In any case the vitrol presented here is strictly fictional and not aimed at any RL person. So please don't take it personally.
Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery
FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information
"I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!"
From: "Gen. Mal Fnord, VVS" (fnord@sovietairforce.fen)
Reply-To: smof-politics@smofcon.fen
Date: 2014/2/12 09:02
To: undisclosed-recipients
> Whoah! Easy with the vitriol there. (O_o)
Hm. How about "no." I put up with too much capitalist nonsense in my life as it is; I see no reason to mollycoddle you lot 24/7. Sack up and take it like a man, or whine and take it like a libertarian.
> And there's something else. Do you honestly expect that these people
> are going to get something for nothing?
That would be the general game plan, yes. People without proper housing would get proper housing without having to beg like dogs. Wasn't that the point of this?
> I mean, sure, home ownership
> is a good thing for the community, but I got photographic evidence of
> what a neighborhood can turn into if the homes are just forked over
> without ever having to work for it. The neighborhood of my Mother's
> family is one such example. It used to be a nice little place, if
> underdeveloped. But, as time passed and one generation passed away
> to the next, so did the houses they live in. And, not having to pay
> a dime, the neighborhood turned into a slum.
And I have photographic evidence of what happens when you let your workers live in slums and don't lift a goddamn finger to help. It ain't pretty, Benjamin, not in the least is it pretty.
> Adding a pricetag to this is simply going
> to make sure that responsible and productive people live in these
> homes.
And the responsible and productive people who can't meet that pricetag? Well, who cares about them, they're just poors. It's no skin off *your* nose they're stuck in bad housing.
> And something else you seem to have forgotten. We are Fen. We are
> self-made pioneers.
I'm pretty sure Gina might object to your claim of being "self-made," considering all the times she's pulled your ass out of the fire. Or Haruhi for that matter, considering she's the one who got you your big break in the hero business.
*You* might consider yourself to be a Randian archetype that sprang fully-formed from Zeus' brow; *I* have no such illusions.
> If one of us lives in squalor, then it is because that person
> chooses to do so.
Really, Ben? *Really?*
I remind you that the whole reason we're having this argument is that there is a *housing shortage* in Port Lowell which means that people are living in substandard conditions. I'm sure those people in overcrowded apartment blocks would love to know you think so little of their *choice* to come out here and find a better life.
And that's what this is about, Ben. We're out here to build a better life, not just for us but for *everybody.* We claim superiority over the 'Danelaw, and yet people in the third-biggest city in the system can't find proper shelter? This is a *joke!* As long as *any* person in Fenspace can't meet their animal needs, or their animal needs are poorly and haphazardly met, any claim to being better than the nations of Earth is invalid. We're not perfect by any means, but by Lord Xenu and all the saints we should be able to leave the sins of the old world *behind* us when we come out here!
And if you can't see that, then I pity you.
--Mal
OOC: This comes off as more than a bit harsh, and well... there's reasons for it. Part of it's based in RL: my recent medical adventure has left me with less empathy for the 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' argument than I had (which was damned little to begin with). Part of is that FS!Mal grew up in Fairplay, CO, which is not the most economically successful part of a relatively poor state, and that's colored a lot of his expectations re: capital and socialism.
So, yeah. In any case the vitrol presented here is strictly fictional and not aimed at any RL person. So please don't take it personally.
Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery
FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information
"I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!"