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The view from outside - In re folks who know about Fenspace and "Don't Get It"
 
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Mark Skarr Wrote:So, here comes a critical discussion:

 

From a story perspective part of the issue is that you’re asking
us to accept three miracles instead of just one.  One is overt—Handwavium exists and can do all
these wonderful things.

 

The second one is semi-overt—Handwavim is infallible
and perfect and incorruptible
I’m not saying that it gives you what you’re looking for, I’m saying
that it doesn’t do bad things.

 The third is the big one. 
You even allude to it, but totally fail to understand just what it is
you’re asking.  You are asking us to
believe that everyone is born good and altruism rules the universe.

 
Okay, I'm going to do what it kind of seems like you did, and pick and choose things while not bothering to read for anything that might counter my arguments.
The second part of it is one of those things where you'll have to define 'bad'.  No, you don't magically get death rays or planet cracker stuff, fine.  However, in stuff that's out there, and heavily referenced, it has been used by a lot of people, even in the subset of folks who are Up, to do things to people against their will, permanently transforming their bodies.  Or has happened to people on their own, in some cases things that you could pretty easily look at as seriously traumatic, dehumanizing, life-changing crap from which you never get to go back.
The third part... are you for real?  What part of "we don't really want to write a grimdark dystopia where everybody's dreams get crushed" as a general genre directive equates to "everybody's a bunch of pink fluffy clouds farting rainbows"?  I mean, ffs, I don't even know where to start on that one.  At the very least, a lot of the main characters are assholes, some are on the megalomaniacal sense, and one of the most major events we've bothered to write about is a bunch of people fighting back against a group involved in, among other things, human trafficking. 
Honestly I can see this being taken as personal attacks; the scope of what you've boiled your criticism into flies in the face of the setting to the extent that I'm just left with the impression of someone saying "Okay, I haven't read anything you've written but I think I sorta get the gist and here's why it's bad."
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