Quote:No you recounted an anecdote about an enforcement mechanism; childrens parents being forced through educational blackmail to see the movie. An anecdote with no basis in fact other than a friend told a friend, who called Rush Limbaugh for advice. Probably not the best source or advice. If you wanted to score some oxy or fuck your blue-pill powered pecker off while on vacation (and espousing family values), by all means call Rush - if you want the straight skinny on science, go to New Scientist of similar publications.
First off, I specifically said I've heard of one case. It was a caller into the Rush Limbaugh show (knows dismissal coming for that reference). The female caller stated that her female friend had to attend a showing of the Al Gore movie or her kid lost grade points of some level (she wouldnt have watched it otherwise). When the woman came back from the movie she was in a panic about the coming apocalypse and would not calm down for days. She called in for help on how to get the woman to stop panicking. (In case I somehow gets it into there heads, I never said Al Gore was forcing kids to watch his movie personally, I said that teachers were showing it to kids.)
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Quote:Bullshit. I hear Schoolhouse Rock is now available on DVD, perhaps you should re-watch the civics sections.
Which prompted me to see what exactly this decision entailed... which turned out to be that in Florida they literally kept changing the law to get new ways to recount the votes... so the SC ruling was that all law changes made after such and such a time, only effect the next vote. In short Al Gore let people try to repeatedly rewrite the law to make him win an election. He never did win a recount, but his willingness to let that kind of thing go on for his personal be
jurist.law.pitt.edu/elect...ontime.htm
You will also note that his opponent did exactly the same thing but I am sure that his willingness to let that 'kind of thing go on' was for the benefit of his country; and oh what a benefit it has been.
Quote:There was tile damage on the first fifty shuttle flights, as I noted above. You can also check out Nasa itself for a more comprehensive look at the foam; fascinating reading.
That they rolled a 1 on the d20 of fate for the shuttle is irrelevant to me, it still happened. The 70 of 120 statistic is great, however how many flights in did they change the foam to what? How much foam fell off, during each mission? Which foam fell off at what rate? Factors like these change things and in truth are mostly irrelevant to my main point, about alternatives not being good no the sole virtue of being alternatives. Which is related to why I decided your being trolls.
As to your point 'alternatives' not being good on the sole virtue of being alternative.' The foam formula both chemically and in application to the tank (a critical issue) was in a state of 'alternative' from the start. Issues were noted, changes were suggested, testing was done and after risk analysis was undertaken, changes were made in production. This was a constant through all of the flights; they didn't just do it once ad consider the job done.
You still really don't have a grasp on the scientific method and it colours damn near everything that you write. If you are going to comment on the world of science, you better have a pretty firm grounding in how science works and the methods that it employs.
Oh, I loved this line. You should write for Rush, you have his natural empathy.
Quote:I am sure that it was not irrelevant to the people who died. They went up in the full knowledge that there was risk involved (residual risk is the technical term - the known risk that is accepted as part of an operational model). The numbers involved are much smaller than the 5% you use as a callous example; but they were taken into account. Every time you cross the street you take precautions (look both ways, cross with the lights, hold mommys hand, etc) but there is still a residual risk in the process. The question is, do you still want to cross the street?
That they rolled a 1 on the d20 of fate for the shuttle is irrelevant to me, it still happened.
I did find this funny.
Quote:Ice shelves, as opposed to surface ice, are 100 to 1000 meters thick. Ergo there are very few ice breakers going through them. Icebreakers deal with ice that is between 50cm and 200cm thick; while you can go outside this envelope, performance never reaches 100 meters.
Lastly, does anyone know if there are statistics on how much effect ice breaker ships mowing their way around the world are having on the ice shelves? That Russia has for a few decades been mulching ice so they can use boats year round instead of only 2 or 3 months a year. Other countries are doing the same thing and research ships are carving their way all over the ice caps. I saw this thing on icebreakers ships
But that is just me being pedantic. It happens. You are probably more curious about the effect of going through non-shelf ice on ice shelves. Picture about a 100 square kilometres of pristine wilderness. Put a footpath stretching through it. There is an element of scale and rational reflection that you are missing.
By the way, don't think of this as trolling, think of it as an intervention to your dogged pursuit of misinformation. When your 'main point' is being buttressed by reams of false crap, you dig out the crap and the point, such as it is, collapses.
Quote:Actually that method is most commonly used by people who have found Jesus- the classic argument from personal experience. You might note that the arguments against your position are not based on personal experience, but peer reviewed research. That is a huge difference.
Which is part of the method of You havent experienced X personally, therefore have no right to comment strategy employed by left leaning people
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