I'm sorry, Custos, but you're wrong.
I know this is threading close to Godwin but here's an example: We do not argue with Holocaust Deniers on the merits because to do so dignifies the position with a response.
For example: Creationism. People have been refuting it with evidence of all kinds for decades. IThe amount of evidence in support of evolution is overwhelming. But Creationism is being taught in schools now because arguing it on the merits has legitimized it in many peoples eyes.
There is a orgy of evidence supporting the idea that the US tortures prisoners in Iraq and elsewhere. There is evidence that they kidnap people illegally, hold them without trial and otherwise repeatedly break the Geneva Convention.
There is none for the other side.
If you are saying that torture is not being done by the US or with the express consent of the US government then you are being deliberatly ignorant. An ignorance on par with saying that there is no such thing as global warming. The evidence for this exists, it has been presented repeatedly. The fact that one article was from the Gaurdian does not mean that the others aren't accurate. Go. Look. If you come back saying that this torture doesn't exist, then yes, I will assume you are not reasonable.
If you want to use the legal example in this, then fine. We have presented our evidence. We have made our case. In a court of law, this would be more than enough to convict. Now the onus is on the defense. THEY must counter our evidence. THEY must prove us wrong.
So, if Necratoid has any research that shows that torture, illegal kidnapping and so on aren't happening in Iraq, I suggest he pull it out now.
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Epsilon
I know this is threading close to Godwin but here's an example: We do not argue with Holocaust Deniers on the merits because to do so dignifies the position with a response.
For example: Creationism. People have been refuting it with evidence of all kinds for decades. IThe amount of evidence in support of evolution is overwhelming. But Creationism is being taught in schools now because arguing it on the merits has legitimized it in many peoples eyes.
There is a orgy of evidence supporting the idea that the US tortures prisoners in Iraq and elsewhere. There is evidence that they kidnap people illegally, hold them without trial and otherwise repeatedly break the Geneva Convention.
There is none for the other side.
If you are saying that torture is not being done by the US or with the express consent of the US government then you are being deliberatly ignorant. An ignorance on par with saying that there is no such thing as global warming. The evidence for this exists, it has been presented repeatedly. The fact that one article was from the Gaurdian does not mean that the others aren't accurate. Go. Look. If you come back saying that this torture doesn't exist, then yes, I will assume you are not reasonable.
If you want to use the legal example in this, then fine. We have presented our evidence. We have made our case. In a court of law, this would be more than enough to convict. Now the onus is on the defense. THEY must counter our evidence. THEY must prove us wrong.
So, if Necratoid has any research that shows that torture, illegal kidnapping and so on aren't happening in Iraq, I suggest he pull it out now.
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Epsilon