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Quote: You are letting politics and hatred of a person and a nation cloud your judgement.
Thanks. Free psychoanalysis to boot.
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Your welcome I thought You might need it. I know I need to be psychoanalysised sometimes.
For example politically I'm most closely associated with the conservative republican view and yet I find myself at odds with the current adminstrations on a mojority of it's domestic policies and many of it's foreign policies.
Here in the US we seem to have large groups claiming to be right or left, conservative or liberal, democrat or republican and yet when you look at the actions of the groups they don't closely match the labels they are covering themselves with.
Every so often we need to step back and do our own personal analysis based on our personal convictions to make sure were not being washed by a rapidly changing group in a direction we don't want to go.
Now back to the war plan argument.
From admittedly limited personal experience with Iranians I think the saber rattling about updating the war plan will actually improve the political attempts to deal with the leadership in Iran.
NOTE about the source of my views below. It has been nearly 15 years since I've had contact with any of the middle eastern students I attended university with.
I think the radicals in charge of Iran are moving away from any sort of political solution and taking a very hard stance. In the past few weeks they have been testing the world climate on the issue and rattling thier saber in the form of weapons test and other military demonstrations.
The religious radicals in control of Iran would view any purely political responce as a sign of western weakness or uncertainty on the issue and increase thier determination to ignore the purely political moves by the US, UN and the rest of the western world.
The few Iranians I've known personally had a view that seemed to only respect and understand military power and demonstration of that power. To them western style international political moves seemed so "toothless" and almost meaningless.
One friend (Saudi or Iranian) even thought that the western style political moves such as sanctions and resolutions against arab nations were geared more to please the western masses and placate them than to actually achieve a goal within another nation.
paraphrashing from the memory of a disscussion with several middle eastern students during a study session. "Sanctions and UN resolutions that are broken the instant they are passed by greedy businessmen and politicians world wide are taken as a sign of success and that the UN, US and other western nations lack the resolve to actually do anything and are falling back on political moves design placating the masses within thier own nations."
I personally don't think America ever had a "good"
or "nice" foreign policy period. You mention 1900, but just look up what was happening to Hawaii at that time.
I'm aware of the abuses to the middle east by Europe and the US, but it doesn't change the main point that allowing a radical group like the one that is currently running Iran to get Atomics is a very dangerous thing to allow to happen.
It will be just as dangerous or possibly even more dangerous than the huge mistake of allowing North Korea to gain atomic weapons.
The same goes for the other reasons mentioned past mistakes and ongoing mistakes is no excuse for allowing a group as radical as the current Iranian rulers to get nukes.
I'm not for an invasion of Iran, but if bombing Iranian atomic facilities will keep nukes out of radical hands for even another 5 years I'm for that.
howard melton
God bless
Quote: You are letting politics and hatred of a person and a nation cloud your judgement.
Thanks. Free psychoanalysis to boot.
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Your welcome I thought You might need it. I know I need to be psychoanalysised sometimes.
For example politically I'm most closely associated with the conservative republican view and yet I find myself at odds with the current adminstrations on a mojority of it's domestic policies and many of it's foreign policies.
Here in the US we seem to have large groups claiming to be right or left, conservative or liberal, democrat or republican and yet when you look at the actions of the groups they don't closely match the labels they are covering themselves with.
Every so often we need to step back and do our own personal analysis based on our personal convictions to make sure were not being washed by a rapidly changing group in a direction we don't want to go.
Now back to the war plan argument.
From admittedly limited personal experience with Iranians I think the saber rattling about updating the war plan will actually improve the political attempts to deal with the leadership in Iran.
NOTE about the source of my views below. It has been nearly 15 years since I've had contact with any of the middle eastern students I attended university with.
I think the radicals in charge of Iran are moving away from any sort of political solution and taking a very hard stance. In the past few weeks they have been testing the world climate on the issue and rattling thier saber in the form of weapons test and other military demonstrations.
The religious radicals in control of Iran would view any purely political responce as a sign of western weakness or uncertainty on the issue and increase thier determination to ignore the purely political moves by the US, UN and the rest of the western world.
The few Iranians I've known personally had a view that seemed to only respect and understand military power and demonstration of that power. To them western style international political moves seemed so "toothless" and almost meaningless.
One friend (Saudi or Iranian) even thought that the western style political moves such as sanctions and resolutions against arab nations were geared more to please the western masses and placate them than to actually achieve a goal within another nation.
paraphrashing from the memory of a disscussion with several middle eastern students during a study session. "Sanctions and UN resolutions that are broken the instant they are passed by greedy businessmen and politicians world wide are taken as a sign of success and that the UN, US and other western nations lack the resolve to actually do anything and are falling back on political moves design placating the masses within thier own nations."
I personally don't think America ever had a "good"
or "nice" foreign policy period. You mention 1900, but just look up what was happening to Hawaii at that time.
I'm aware of the abuses to the middle east by Europe and the US, but it doesn't change the main point that allowing a radical group like the one that is currently running Iran to get Atomics is a very dangerous thing to allow to happen.
It will be just as dangerous or possibly even more dangerous than the huge mistake of allowing North Korea to gain atomic weapons.
The same goes for the other reasons mentioned past mistakes and ongoing mistakes is no excuse for allowing a group as radical as the current Iranian rulers to get nukes.
I'm not for an invasion of Iran, but if bombing Iranian atomic facilities will keep nukes out of radical hands for even another 5 years I'm for that.
howard melton
God bless