Okay Blackaeronaut, here we go.
"Rev, I just say that Satan's out to make everyone as miserable as he is through whatever means necessary. If someone is genuinely happy having a
same-sex partner, then good on them."
Previously you wrote.
"Okay, so while Prop 8 won't necessarily force people to not be homosexuals, I still see it as a step towards Satan's POV and his desire for
everyone to be miserable."
You can't have it both ways. Nice serve to imaginary Satan there. Deny them marriage you make them miserable. Make them miserable, play into
imaginary Satan's hands. I hate to say this, but your decency is showing through the shell of your upbringing. In another day and age, you probably would
have railed against the institutionalised racism of the the Mormon Church. Both speak very well for you; and oh so poorly for the Mormon faith.
"As for the BoM... Just because you don't see any 'traces' of this 'society' doesn't mean that it existed or that it never
migrated. One of the classic examples are the lake and river named for the prophet, Lehi's two eldest sons, Lamen and Lemuel. Look it up
sometime."
Been there, done that, witnesses some rather desperate apologetics.
"As for the society that existed in what became America? Well, according to the book, there was a war so great that all the followers of the faith were
killed off. So where's the remains, you ask? Heh. Funny you should ask that when you got these cultures like the Incans and the Mayans that were every bit
as hethenistic and bloodthirsty as the people that killed off everyone else in the BoM. You see, it's not the first time, nor the last, that one culture
has tried to erase another from the historical record simple because they didn't like the poor saps."
As an excuse that is pretty sodding weak. Shall we discuss the particulars. Unravelling the claims of charlatans is rather easy as the devil is in the
details. The Nephites according to Smith, were agrarian. Horses, cattle and grain - none of the which are present in pre-Colombian North America. So as well
as wiping out the tribes, all the highly useful prizes of war, cattle, horses, grain, etc. Were also slaughtered, and destroyed so completely that no evidence
was found.
Speaking of evidence, how about those huge fortified cities. Once of the great tricks of archaeology is going through the dumps of a site. Where the
locals stashed their trash. Even if the walled cities were flattened completely (highly, highly, unlikely) the middens would remain. With cattle and horse
bones no less.
So can you point to any extant examples of Erons, senines, or ontis kicking about. Or the remains of any temples built "After the manner of the
Jews." How about Ammon's chariots (No wheels and modern horses in Pre-Colombian North America)
An innumerable army with swords and cimeters? No evidence for such weapons, or the large scale metalworks required to produce such metals; what was that
number, or yes, 2,000,000 Jaredite people. That would leave a fucking mark.
I won't even go into modern DNA testing in regards to the presence of Middle Eastern DNA in the native populations.
Hey the well named book of Ether. (And so it came to pass...zzzz.) Cattle, oxen, cows, sheep, horses, asses and sodding great elephants. None of which
are found in Pre-Colombian America.
Okay. Here we go.
The book of Mormon (like other holy books) is a myth. A pretty story made up by a rather dubious con-man. Not a prophet. It is painfully transparent as
such, and its creation is rather well documented. It is a lie that has gained traction. It is not supported in the archaeological record. It is very much a
book of the time that it was written; and of the man who wrote it.
"Rev, I just say that Satan's out to make everyone as miserable as he is through whatever means necessary. If someone is genuinely happy having a
same-sex partner, then good on them."
Previously you wrote.
"Okay, so while Prop 8 won't necessarily force people to not be homosexuals, I still see it as a step towards Satan's POV and his desire for
everyone to be miserable."
You can't have it both ways. Nice serve to imaginary Satan there. Deny them marriage you make them miserable. Make them miserable, play into
imaginary Satan's hands. I hate to say this, but your decency is showing through the shell of your upbringing. In another day and age, you probably would
have railed against the institutionalised racism of the the Mormon Church. Both speak very well for you; and oh so poorly for the Mormon faith.
"As for the BoM... Just because you don't see any 'traces' of this 'society' doesn't mean that it existed or that it never
migrated. One of the classic examples are the lake and river named for the prophet, Lehi's two eldest sons, Lamen and Lemuel. Look it up
sometime."
Been there, done that, witnesses some rather desperate apologetics.
"As for the society that existed in what became America? Well, according to the book, there was a war so great that all the followers of the faith were
killed off. So where's the remains, you ask? Heh. Funny you should ask that when you got these cultures like the Incans and the Mayans that were every bit
as hethenistic and bloodthirsty as the people that killed off everyone else in the BoM. You see, it's not the first time, nor the last, that one culture
has tried to erase another from the historical record simple because they didn't like the poor saps."
As an excuse that is pretty sodding weak. Shall we discuss the particulars. Unravelling the claims of charlatans is rather easy as the devil is in the
details. The Nephites according to Smith, were agrarian. Horses, cattle and grain - none of the which are present in pre-Colombian North America. So as well
as wiping out the tribes, all the highly useful prizes of war, cattle, horses, grain, etc. Were also slaughtered, and destroyed so completely that no evidence
was found.
Speaking of evidence, how about those huge fortified cities. Once of the great tricks of archaeology is going through the dumps of a site. Where the
locals stashed their trash. Even if the walled cities were flattened completely (highly, highly, unlikely) the middens would remain. With cattle and horse
bones no less.
So can you point to any extant examples of Erons, senines, or ontis kicking about. Or the remains of any temples built "After the manner of the
Jews." How about Ammon's chariots (No wheels and modern horses in Pre-Colombian North America)
An innumerable army with swords and cimeters? No evidence for such weapons, or the large scale metalworks required to produce such metals; what was that
number, or yes, 2,000,000 Jaredite people. That would leave a fucking mark.
I won't even go into modern DNA testing in regards to the presence of Middle Eastern DNA in the native populations.
Hey the well named book of Ether. (And so it came to pass...zzzz.) Cattle, oxen, cows, sheep, horses, asses and sodding great elephants. None of which
are found in Pre-Colombian America.
Okay. Here we go.
The book of Mormon (like other holy books) is a myth. A pretty story made up by a rather dubious con-man. Not a prophet. It is painfully transparent as
such, and its creation is rather well documented. It is a lie that has gained traction. It is not supported in the archaeological record. It is very much a
book of the time that it was written; and of the man who wrote it.