I Need To Vent (Prop 8)

[Rev Dark]

Lord Panther wrote

"Also I served as a missionary for two years and knocking on doors. Plenty of people wouldn't open their doors when they saw us and that's
fine. The important thing is that we gave everyone the opportunity to learn about it. Just think of the missionaries like door to door salesmen that really
believe in their product. "

Well done, your analogy made me laugh. If a salesman made the claims on their product that the Mormon Missionaries make, their arses would be standing tall
before the Better Business Bureau. If you buy this lovely set of encyclopedias you also get an afterlife with god and your loved ones. Not only that you can
stay married forever... stop crying... what's more you get a free degree of glory, your stillborn children resurrected, become as a god yourself. All for
the price of 10% of your gross income.

Nice analogy. If it is any consolation, it did make me laugh.

History is what you make of it and its continually changing. Here's some info on Iron found in America pre-Colombian.

History is not what you make of it. That is post-modernism douchebaggery. The pre-Colombian metallurgy you note (take a look at the actual artifacts) are
in no way representative of the type or quantity, or material, noted in the Book of Mormon.

"The reason why the Church is involved with genealogy and has been almost since its creation is because of the principal that even after we die, that
there is still the chance for salvation."

Hence I called it ingenious. Greasier than wrapping yourself in bacon and running a marathon, but ingenious. For it is, as it solves the problem that
other similar faiths had, of salvation of people prior to the newest festive variation of the faith. Ingenious. Nasty. The carrot is salvation. The stick
is that if you leave the church you are cut off from your loved ones for all eternity. Nice fucking dogma, nothing like a little emotional blackmail between
friends.

"Honestly, if we're wrong, what does it matter if we baptize people absentee."

Because you would be shameless hucksters taking tithes for a service you clearly have no evidence for, getting them to pay for it in order to enter the
temple where it takes place. Using it as leverage when people wish to leave the church. You are just stating Pascal's wager in a different form. It is a
shit argument to start and does not smell any sweeter for you passing it off like the turd it is.

"The people doing the baptisms, are happy with the belief that they have done a good thing, and since only faithful members are allowed to enter the
Temple, they will continue to live good lives in order to continue the practice."

That is a lie. There is no evidence they will lead 'good; lives. Utah's divorce, rape, murder and strangely enough antidepressant rates are among
the highest in the United States.

"If we're right, then we gave some more people the opportunity to get into heaven. Since the performing of these ordinances only provides the souls
of those who've departed the option of accepting them. "

So you don't care if someone else brought all deceased Mormons into their faith posthumously, against their wishes. By your argument it is would not
matter if they were wrong. In fact it would be useful in hedging your bets for a fulfilling afterlife.

Very silly stuff indeed.