Just So You Don't Think I'm Biased

[Fidoohki]

This is a false dichotomy. There has been no proof that this warrantless wiretapping was doing any good on stopping terrorism and since proof has come out
that the major target of this grossly illegal and unethical conduct was the media then I can't see how you can defend it on those
grounds

Because I am seeing it from an early post 9/11 point of view without hindsight to 'correct' it. I'm assuming it was around

that time when it happened because I'm not sure when it happened and I'm not going to waste the time to look it up.

The "ticking time bomb" bullshit is just that, bullshit. It is manufactured by right wing hawks who don't have values to
compromise. They don't care about innocent life, they just care about grabbing more power for themselves. They talk about innocent lives because that how
they can sell it to people who aren't brave enough to stand up for their rights. They sell it by scaring you. For crying out loud, you managed to survive
seventy years in a land without the Patriot Act and illegal wiretaps. Don't give me that "the world has changed" bullshit either. The
fundamentals of thw world have not changed. We live in free societies. And part of the price of a free society is that we have to be fucking adults and
realise that the government can not protect us 100% of the time.

History says that few truly beleived that Pearl Harbor would be attacked until it was. The same could be said for 9/11. Just because

you don't beleive it means it couldn't happen. Now while I realize that the Gov. can't protect me 100% I sure as hell don't want

them to not try because someone might be embaressed or inconvienced.

To sum up my thougts on the matter: We do not have to choose between our ideals and our safety.

I disagree to some extent. I think it is more of what level am I willing to give up my ideals for some security and safety.