First off, the "Islamists" want to do no such thing, outright of a very few extreme radicals comparable in percentage to American neo-Nazis. They have actual grievances with the "West" and with Israel, they do not just randomly hate you or me or Miley Cyrus for existing. Some of these grievances are fair, some are not, and some are arguable, but they exist and there is not a significant contingent of radical Muslims whose only wish is to kill us all because they HAET OUR FREEDOMZ. Even Osama bin Laden (who has sent open letters to the American people urging them to elect leaders who do not meddle in other countries and unconditionally support Israel) isn't the cartoon evil overlord you want to believe your monolithic mass of Islamists are (this is not defending his actions or character except to note that your characterisation of "Islamists" is shallow and inaccurate).
Second, you and every other proponent of stupid barbaric shit like the apocryphal story above are engaging in wankfic that bears no resemblance to reality. You really think you're going to make a dent in Islamic violence towards the West by rounding up 50 "terrorists" (who would of course all be guilty and not be random bystanders, taxi drivers or tourists) and "making an example of them" with pigs? My god, that is so stupid I scarcely know where to begin.
- Pigs are not Muslim kryptonite. This really cannot be repeated enough; "not sure about it" is like not being sure whether forcing Catholics to work on Saturdays would cause every Catholic in the world to cower in fear of the Eternal Flames.
- You are literally arguing that radical Islamists are going to be made afraid by a bunch of them getting caught and killed, and that fear for their lives will make them stop fighting American tanks with AK-47s and blowing themselves up. Because those are such safe things with such a low mortality rate.
- I'm absolutely certain the thousands of Muslims in the United States and other coalition countries' armed forces will have their morale boosted considerably by this act which is totally not declaring open war against their religion, nosiree. It also would do nothing to convince yet more moderate Muslims that the US is on a crusade against them and it's either kill or be killed, and will not do anything to alienate the Muslim allies in the region that are crucial for America's strategic situation.
- This argument rests on the premise that Muslims simply aren't intimidated enough by the United States, and that being inhumane and cruel will force them to heel. Aside from the fact this has never worked on any indigenous population of anywhere ever without accompanying genocide or slavery, it might be worth remembering that the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan for a decade, and during that time resistance only got stronger and stronger until they eventually left. So it also rests on the premise that the Soviet Union just wasn't brutal enough to show these guys their place.
- America already basically tried this. You might have heard of Abu Ghraib. Or the various secret black ops CIA prisons where people are sent to be tortured. Or the openly known US prisons in Iraq where prisoners were tortured and some mysteriously died due to massive blunt trauma during questioning. Pigs were involved in some of this torture, amongst other things. None of it has, surprisingly enough, made Muslims stop attacking the US.
- When you find yourself arguing that the only way to stop the guys
living in the country you invaded without cause from hating and
attacking you is to be so brutal that they fear not just for their
lives, but their very souls in
attacking you, you might want to stop and consider that you are no
longer "the good guys".
- So yeah, ultimately, there isn't much difference. You ("Muslims can never cooexist with the West!") are one step off advocating genocide or at best "forced reeducation", and blackaeronaut is wanking over fantasies of being Genghis Khan and building a pyramid of heads. You are literally being worse than the thing you oppose.
Second, you and every other proponent of stupid barbaric shit like the apocryphal story above are engaging in wankfic that bears no resemblance to reality. You really think you're going to make a dent in Islamic violence towards the West by rounding up 50 "terrorists" (who would of course all be guilty and not be random bystanders, taxi drivers or tourists) and "making an example of them" with pigs? My god, that is so stupid I scarcely know where to begin.
- Pigs are not Muslim kryptonite. This really cannot be repeated enough; "not sure about it" is like not being sure whether forcing Catholics to work on Saturdays would cause every Catholic in the world to cower in fear of the Eternal Flames.
- You are literally arguing that radical Islamists are going to be made afraid by a bunch of them getting caught and killed, and that fear for their lives will make them stop fighting American tanks with AK-47s and blowing themselves up. Because those are such safe things with such a low mortality rate.
- I'm absolutely certain the thousands of Muslims in the United States and other coalition countries' armed forces will have their morale boosted considerably by this act which is totally not declaring open war against their religion, nosiree. It also would do nothing to convince yet more moderate Muslims that the US is on a crusade against them and it's either kill or be killed, and will not do anything to alienate the Muslim allies in the region that are crucial for America's strategic situation.
- This argument rests on the premise that Muslims simply aren't intimidated enough by the United States, and that being inhumane and cruel will force them to heel. Aside from the fact this has never worked on any indigenous population of anywhere ever without accompanying genocide or slavery, it might be worth remembering that the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan for a decade, and during that time resistance only got stronger and stronger until they eventually left. So it also rests on the premise that the Soviet Union just wasn't brutal enough to show these guys their place.
- America already basically tried this. You might have heard of Abu Ghraib. Or the various secret black ops CIA prisons where people are sent to be tortured. Or the openly known US prisons in Iraq where prisoners were tortured and some mysteriously died due to massive blunt trauma during questioning. Pigs were involved in some of this torture, amongst other things. None of it has, surprisingly enough, made Muslims stop attacking the US.
- When you find yourself arguing that the only way to stop the guys
living in the country you invaded without cause from hating and
attacking you is to be so brutal that they fear not just for their
lives, but their very souls in
attacking you, you might want to stop and consider that you are no
longer "the good guys".
- So yeah, ultimately, there isn't much difference. You ("Muslims can never cooexist with the West!") are one step off advocating genocide or at best "forced reeducation", and blackaeronaut is wanking over fantasies of being Genghis Khan and building a pyramid of heads. You are literally being worse than the thing you oppose.