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The 2nd Crimean War?
 
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Quote:nemonowan wrote:
Quote:The legitimately elected president slipped away into the night after
signing an accord that restored the constitution of 2004. Now answer me
as to why he did that? Putin reinstalling him back means he will have to
maintain an army of occupation to keep his vassal there. Pure
imperialist play. He already has 3 pseudo states he's maintaining.
Propping up a 4th is going to pretty expensive.
What court declared him guilty of crimes and stripped him of his position? Your opinion of him being illegitimate is worth as much as mine of GWBush being illegitimate for stealing Florida, or Obama being illegitimate for violating constitutional rights.
Again, he is a democratically elected president, deposed by an armed coup of neonazi organizations, that are making legislators pass laws at gunpoint. Propaganda-wise, Putin has a lot of material to support intervention.
A democratically elected president who slipped away into the night after signing a deal halting the bloodshed. If that's not a de jure abdication of his position, I do not know what is. He still had the police and he could had called out the army to squash the demonstrators like bugs if he had so wished. He didn't. Why? Because the police was starting to go over to the demonstrators and the army was going to stay neutral. when you have law and order types deciding not to back you, you know you're in trouble.
And what armed coup? The presidential palace was occupied after El President vamoosed. No looting. No vandalism. And you do have a neonazi organization in the mix. And the rest are not.
Putin's pretext for going after the Crimea is to secure the naval base and to protect the "ethnic" Russians living in the East Crimea. And he used the same pretext against Georgia in 2008. Note that Hitler had used it also in the Sudetenland in 1938.
It had been noted that keeping the Crimea is a lot tougher proposition than occupying it. The water and power comes from the western side. Kiev may go along with the Russians keeping the Crimea but there is nothing that said they have to support it. And supporting that enclave is going to be a very expensive proposition in the long run.
 
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The 2nd Crimean War? - by ordnance11 - 03-01-2014, 04:14 AM
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