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And why do they have that image issue? Because they have been tarred with the brush of the Democrats bad deeds, while the blacks, Hispanics women and homosexuals of the Republican party are either ignored by the media or told that "they are just confused and don't know where they belong by the main stream media pundits and the Democrats

Possibly. There's also the actual statements by a particular Republican politician that need to be taken into account: things like planning to build a wall between the USA and Mexico and get Mexico to pay for it, threatening to sue people who report on things that make him look bad, insulting the female moderator of a candidates' debate, musing about repealing the 14th Amendment and gutting the 1st Amendment, proposing to ban the entry of any Muslim to the USA, suggesting the USA should default on its debt - all things that we've discussed in this very thread.

The GOP chose him, knowing all of that. The GOP gets to deal with the outcome of choosing him. Actions have consequences.

Alright, i'll finally get down to answering this now that i'm not stuck on my phone. 1) the wall- there is an old saying that good fences make good neighbors, I am all for LEGAL immigration, but we have limits to that for a reason, and of course we only want the best of what is available because, quite frankly we want to improve our nation not drag it down to the level of whatever hell hole that the immigrant came from. This is not xenophobic, its good sense. Also, the serious lack of security on the Mexico/US border means that if someone was willing to truck in the supplies they could move a large number of people across that border without our knowledge, and the last thing we want is another San Bernadino, or Orlando, or gods forbid September 11.

Calling someone else's country a "hell hole" is xenophobic, not good sense. And if it is that bad, leaving people in it is indefensible. (If you're Christian, it's also a sin, according to Matthew 25:41-46.) Also, if there's a "serious lack of security on the Mexico/US border", why hasn't it been exploited yet despite there being a number of people who have reason to do so?

I notice you didn't address the important part of this point: "and get Mexico to pay for it" You want a wall, fine, build a wall - it's your country. Why are you looking to some other country for handouts to pay for it?

Also remember, for approximately sixty some years it was illegal for anyone to immigrate to the US unless they had special permission from Congress, US military abroad were denied the ability to marry locals and court martialed for doing so.

And you fixed that. Why take a backward step?

2) Suing people- a newspaper prints a story that is slanderous to a person...

Who said anything about slander? (Remainder of attempted deflection snipped.)

3)female moderator- I saw that debate, one of the few that i bothered to watch. I am fighting for words other than she deserved it to describe what i saw, (and i was a Carson supporter at the time). She was blatantly bias, in fact other than a CNN anchor's comment about "shivers up my legs" about Obama's speeches back in 08 i haven't seen any moderator or anchor be so blatant in their fawning over a candidate

Is that call for insulting her?

I hate to have to be the one to tell you this, since you should have learned it already: Everybody in the world is biased. Somebody who cannot accept that and move on is not fit for high public office, especially an office where he'll need to interact with people who do not share his biases and who he cannot fire.

4) Repealing Amendments- I have heard nothing about this, however regardless of if he wanted to or not, there is no way he could since it would require the passing of a new amendment repealing the old one. i think this is just someone stirring the racist pot agenda against him

We've discussed it in this very thread. Go back and follow the links.

5) Banning Muslims- I love how people seem to think that banning people from a certain region, nation or religion from entering our country while we are systematically at war with aspects of the religion of said region, nation or religion is a bad thing. Face the facts, we are at war with MUSLIM EXTREMISM, and since we are unable to read the minds and hearts of every person who crosses our border then its only logical to stop the flow of people who might wish to do our nation or our people harm, to do less, let alone intentionally bringing in thousands of potential terrorists, is patently irresponsible and dangerous.

When was this war declared? Which members of Congress voted in favor of it?

We took an event that should have been treated as a case of mass murder - 9/11 - and used it as a pretext to invade a country, and now some of us are wondering why the people of that country and their allies don't like us. Actions have consequences.

6) defaulting on the debt- Apparently the majority of our debt is owed internally, so it will be defaulted on at some point regardless, (I see this being fairly soon as more and more baby boomers retire and seek their social security which has been pilfered by both sides of the aisle to prop up social and corporate welfare over the last 50 or so years. 

According to http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsrepor ... nfo_ss.htm , Social Security is in a separate fund and has been since 1940. (That fund isn't doing too well as of the end of 2014, according to that report, but that's because people are living longer and collecting more Social Security payments.) Conflating Social Security with other Federal debt may be common practice, but it's an incorrect practice.

The military (which is honestly my own sacred cow) is going to have to learn to stretch things father, make them last longer and realize that they can't have all the nice new cool toys because while we have spent the last 40 years or so riding the cutting edge of technology, the military industrial complex is fixing to have to take a back seat to practicality and normal consumerism. Frankly we could cancel the orders on the F-35 and the V-22 and get out from under a boondoggle and a practical waste respectively, limit the number of F-22's to what we have and still kick the ass of any nation out there except maybe China. The current war we have to fight doesn't need tech anyway, it also doesn't need 70 ton tanks so the Abrams and its tenetive replacement, (yes i've heard that there is one in the works but no real knowledge there yet) can be kept at its current levels/drawing board. What we do need is good body armor, and boots on the ground. This is a war that is not going to be fought with high tech, but could be fought with WWII tech, because its a matter of being in peoples faces. In short, military spending can be seriously cut.

Deploying with WWII tech means accepting the risk of WWII casualties - and most civilians have no stomach for that any more. Also, ships and aircraft wear out. Other than that (and the "at war" bit I've already addressed), I find no fault with this position.

Social programs also can take a serious hit, as i stated in the Dolist thread, if you are so lazy/apathetic that you cannot even put up the pretense of looking for a job, then i have no sympathy for you, and otherwise, if you are not willing to lower yourself to do jobs that you seem to think are beneath you, you are not going to find any work. If you can't be bothered then you're going to have your money taken away, if you have kids and you allow that, then you will have your kids taken away. Its cold, its mean, and it shows little to no heart where "Caring for those less fortunate" are concerned. I don't care, as I have also said, I am an asshole, pick yourself up by your own damn bootstraps and figure something out as far as work to put money in your pocket and food on your own damn table because the government cannot and should not have to carry your dead weight for more than a year to 18 months.

Now, as to trade issues, FUCK NAFTA AND THE TPP. I hope i said it loud enough and get my point across, Tariffs have been a traditional tax to protect home grown industry, they have always been used as such so that local industry could get their feet under them. WE HAVE LET OUR MANUFACTURING ABILITY DIE, we used to have a thriving electronics industry, it went overseas, why you ask, because of several reasons, one being unions demanding more money for the worker, another being that the EPA brought the hammer down on the companies due to the industrial pollutants that were released constantly during the manufacturing process. because of this and other reasons (including rising taxes) the companies that produced electronics either went out of business or went overseas where labor was cheaper and pollution was either not as closely monitored or you could bribe your way out of trouble. And while the American consumer reaped the benefits the American worker faced the consequences. In short, WE OUTSOURCED OUR POLLUTION ALONG WITH THE WORK,  but as usual, "Not In My Back Yard so I don't care" and who in the world has to deal with things like the Kyoto accords, not the third world shit holes where this takes place, no its the US and Europe.

Now, Hillary is touting a federal $15 an hour minimum wage as one of her talking points, this is utter bullshit and will cause several things. 
1. costs of goods and services will go up.
2. people will be replaced with more automation because its cheaper than the workers. 
3. the people who make between the current minimum wage and the new one will only get raised to the new minimum unless they are union and a certain amount is guaranteed in their union contract, that means that people like me will have their work relegated to the same amount of money you pay the DAMN MCDONALDS CASHIER. In other words it devalues the "low education" work force. 

Thats all i have for now, have fun  

Wow. I don't know where to begin pointing out the contradictions in all that.

No, I do know where to begin: "pick yourself up by your own damn bootstraps and figure something out as far as work ... WE HAVE LET OUR MANUFACTURING ABILITY DIE" You want people to take jobs that you say don't exist any more. That's a good trick - how do you do it?

(Oh, and a $15 an hour minimum wage is standard throughout the First World. You can't do something the rest of us can?)
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012