Quote:skyfire2020 wrote:When we talk about 'Ice Free Winters' we're mainly referring to the polar ice caps, which are a FAR BETTER INDICATOR than your local wintertime precipitation.
It is now 2017 and I am still having to take time off work because of ice and snow. I will pay attention to global warming when this mythical ice free future arrives and not a second before.
The ice caps are melting. There is incontrovertible proof of it. No wiggle room with ideas such as "but there have been temperature shifts before!"
Here, peruse this: http://xkcd.com/1732/ and some explanations here: http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index. ... xplanation
It's a timeline of Earth's average temperature going all the way back to 20,000 BCE. Any further than that and humans are barely figuring out numbers greater than ten. And I mean that seriously. We, as a species, have existed for a preciously short amount of time in the grand scheme of things, and yet in so little time we have made such an impact.
We have the ability to control our own climate. It's just whether or not people want to bother with the change that's required.
If nothing else, the Governator had some interesting things to say about it all.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/arnold-s ... 713574658/