Hybrid Theory

[ECSNorway]

#1: It wasn't Roshi who blew the moon, it was Piccolo.
#2: Your rant has made me want to never read anything you write. Congratulations. HAND.--
"I give you the beautiful... the talented... the tirelessly atomic-powered...
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DOROTHY!
WAYNERIGHT!
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Sucrose Octanitrate.
Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode.

[Epsilon]

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#1: It wasn't Roshi who blew the moon, it was Piccolo.

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See Dragonball the original series during the first tournament.

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#2: Your rant has made me want to never read anything you write. Congratulations. HAND.

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Is there some reason you told us this other than to be snarky? Am I supposed to care, or something?
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Epsilon

[robkelk]

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#1: It wasn't Roshi who blew the moon, it was Piccolo.

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IIRC, and I'm no DBZ expert, Roshii blew up the moon once and Piccolo blew it up two times. (In each case, it was to stop one or another Saiyan from "going ape".) Mind you, I could be wrong...
-Rob Kelk
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Evil Midnight Lurker]

I believe it was once each during the manga. Anything could have been added in the TV series.
--Sam
(who breaks down in hysterical laughter whenever anyone talks about the TV version and "canon" in the same sentence)

[Valles]

Okay, everybody, enough. This has gone beyond 'discussion', and should go no farther.
I'm breaking out the jackboots, in accordance with... dammit. Whichever law says all threads end with Nazis.
Ja, -n
(who has ways of making you talk...)

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"Puripuri puripuri... Bang!"

[Ayiekie]

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We've seen Ranma get drugged, by Kodachi, among others; he can certainly be poisoned.

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He can certainly be poisoned by other ubermensch and their ubermensch-poisons (Pink and Link are just as, if not more superior to real human herbalists and botanists, including ones with the technology to do genetic engineering, as Ranma is superior to a real martial artist). However, as Aaron pointed out, alcohol does not have nearly the same effect on him as on a normal person. Alcohol, incidentally, is a poison.
As for killing a few hundred bystanders within your own capital in a scatter-shot attempt to kill a single person, repeated many many times for many, many single people? You're pretty much guaranteeing the government's going to fall anyway in a democratic society, and even if you assume a despotic regime can crack down on the inevitable uprisings, it's going to cripple them to try to kill their own citizenry at 100-to-1 losses when the 1 may not even die and where other 1s are waging incredibly nasty guerilla warfare in return.
You're correct in that it's unlikely to come up on its own, if only because history has likely led to the current situation where government authorities trust martial artists... at least in China and Japan. Other places in the world might be very different.

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True, but not at random. There are extenuating circumstances, typically personal involvement. A line can be drawn that puts canonical Ranma interference on one side and stopping Jadeite on the other.
I won't deny it takes a little handwaving to draw this line, but it's not a show stopper.

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Extenuating circumstances include "I want to shove myself into this personal confrontation because there's something I want". Jadeite threatened to kill every single martial artist in Nerima.
I'm afraid it IS a showstopper. It is unbelievable that Ranma wouldn't get involved. It is flat-out ludicrous that not a single one of the likely hundreds or even thousands of martial arts death machines in Tokyo were willing to get involved in somebody else's fight after being directly threatened. If a fic says Ranma went home and went to bed and didn't think twice about it, I'm afraid my reaction is that its characterisation of Ranma is untenable and I will stop reading.

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A god can have a monster as one of its avatars, or even another god. Nor do the avatars have to be aware of each other. Thus, in some versions of Hinduism, all the gods are avatars of one god, and yet are still independent personalities, with separate minds.
They're transcendent beings, beyond human comprehension; manifesting three mutually inconsistent avatars is a triviality for them.

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Aside from what Aaron already said, here's the simple problem: the Orochi isn't a god in the original legend that all three series draw it from. Moreover, if a minor one-off monster like the Orochi is supposed to be three mutually incompatible beings of such power who have had such impacts on the world over centuries of history, what exactly is one of the IMPORTANT things from mythology going to be like?
What's Amaterasu, if an overgrown snake is that impressive and important? What's Vishnu?
Oh, not that you can't run with that. But it shows off EXACTLY the problem here: simple solutions are dropping large rocks in a pond, and the ripples go places you almost certainly never were planning to go in the first place.

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Crossovers can quietly amend canon, when convenient. The current ice age began a few million years ago, when there were already proto-humans around. Putting Arkanphel's origin then won't affect any of the present day events.

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Umm... I'm afraid you're wrong. The last ice age ended 10,000 years ago and modern humans were around long before that.
And no, I don't think crossovers should "quietly amend canon" just because the facts are inconvienent. New explanations or extrapolation are one thing, but being flat-out wrong is flat-out wrong.

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Not what I said. He'll watch a martial arts duel (given no reason to interfere or personal interest) to observe the techniques used; he doesn't have that kind of professional interest in a magical duel.

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You could make that argument for why he wouldn't watch two random magicians going at it, but not for why he would not go pound some guy who threatened the entire city. It's a personal interest at that point. Ranma's going to risk Akane's life (to say nothing of his own and everyone else's that he knows) because of a facet of martial artist's honour that he's violated for free food? Mmmmmm-no.

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You say kludge; I say world-building, when done right.

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So do I. Problem is, it's hard to do right and few people even try. Nor is it easy, as the whole Ranma/Jadeite thing shows.

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Or the Nanban mirror.

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Ewww! No, no crappy anime things. ;p But seriously, Hybrid Theory is rigorously based on a single continuity for each series. Even Onna-Ranma's hair is black.
(Crossing over the Ranma anime and manga... that'd be a harder crossover than most. ;p)

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Ultimately though, it comes down to what it means to be real. I take the view that if you can worry about if you're real, you are. It doesn't matter that the universe creator, in-story, was a plagiarist - the people in it are no less real.

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That is indeed one way of looking at it. ;p

[Ayiekie]

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Okay, everybody, enough. This has gone beyond 'discussion', and should go no farther.
I'm breaking out the jackboots, in accordance with... dammit. Whichever law says all threads end with Nazis.

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Pshaw. Aside from the one guy who didn't know his Dragonball, this has all been quite civil and fun so far, I think. ;p
Although I almost wish it'd started in a different thread.

[Necratoid]

Not to continue, but to clarify:
You don't have to have official zones for things like martial artists. Having an official 'MADM Reserve' zoning classification that shows up on public records and avoids hiding those embarrassments from the which world defeat the point of hiding them. MADM would be an open secret in the Diet/local government. Major tax break/hikes for people that are/aren't cooperating (family dojos, noise ordinances, etc..)... The carrot works better against people who the stick breaks against went you poke them with it. This is also what they did in 'The Tick', they interviewed prospective heroes and if a 'hero' proved to be annoying, pointlessly stupid they sent them to The City. Out of other people's hair. It also helps if you can convince them that this segregation is their own idea.
Societies that dont adapt tend to crumple. Adaptations like large parks in space hungry Tokyo example of this. Like giving MADM Principle Kuno his own school to ignore in favor of Hawaii.

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Ranma is far enough from Sailor Moon in genre that each of them could exist in the others world. The only problem is why they don't notice each other, a much smaller problem than two incompatible rule sets for vampires.

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The problem with vampires is that unlike Hollywoods version they have a thousand types. For instance death by sunlight was a trick based entirely on budget constraints and writing ones self out of a corner than actually applying to any real mythos (a nod to Dracula hunting at night.). Some even eat dung and not blood. I saw a interesting movie about a vampire hunter that had to go through a check list to figure out how to kill the vampire in question. First off it drained youth not blood. A break through occurred when one of his party was turned and agreed to let them kill him through experimentation. Drowning, hanging, wooden stake, etc proved useless until they figured out it took running him through with a cross a bit of forging later and we have a nifty sword of vampire doom.
Which is how you get multiple Orochis. Different beasties, same name. It doesnt have to be that any are the real one its a nifty name with build in intimidation. Steal it! The Ranma one acts somewhat correctly, the one in Blue Seed really doesnt seem the type to get plastered (I have 8 seeds,. 8 seeds, 8 heads. Stealing name NOW!). The evil hate god again doesnt seem to be distractible in the saki and women way that Ive seen. Granted I havent dealt with that series/game, so I cant really comment and I havent watched Blue Seed in a while. It could be they are all wrong. Its like someone calling out Monster! and giving no other details. You could be dealing with Doberknocker, Xellos, or Johan Liebert All are monsters. Like calling facial tissue Kleenex. Its a good name, steal it.

[Florin]

You guys do realize that American comics have been dealing with the 'What do you do when your planet is infested with god like super beings who could turn on you at any moment?' question for years right?
I particularly liked Checkmate's (a rouge U.S. spy agency) solution in the Project OMAC portion of the Countdown to Infinite Crisis. It involved stealing Batman's superspy satellite, and infecting something like a million people around the world with a nanovirus through thier flu vacinations. See a metahuman doing something you don't like? Activate the nearest OMAC's, turning completly ordinary unsuspecting humans into armorplated killing machines, upload that meta's weaknesses and use your nifty borg like adapability to off them. Repeat as nessecary.--
Oh, what has science wrought? I sought only to turn a man into a metal-encased juggernaught of destruction powered by the unknown properties of a mysterious living crystal. How could this have all gone wrong?
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If you become a monster to put down a monster you've still got a monster running around at the end of the day and have as such not really solved the whole monster problem at all. 

[Ayiekie]

Yep. Problem is, almost all of them go for simple, unrealistic solutions too. For instance, that nanovirus thing will likely fail fairly spectacularly in the long term when the people you're fighting have supergeniuses and you don't (as is the case). It's just begging for some supervillain to use it, really.
Not to mention that virtually no comic universe actually explores what the ramifications of superpowered beings ought to be. Mr. Fantastic can make portals to other dimensions for shits and giggles, but none of the stuff he makes actually changes the world or anything! Same thing for Tony Stark and a million others. The world isn't really changed by the fact it's common knowledge that magic exists, either. And put on a costume and you can go out and be a vigilante too: the police don't mind, and nobody in the government cares about your secret identity! Unless you're a mutant. And that's an entire other kettle of nonsensical fish.
Of course, there's some exceptions, but not in the mainstream universes (which hold pretty closely to the notion of "the real world, just with spandex-types running around", and there's reasons for that, don't get me wrong). One game I love that was all about exploring the realistic consequences of superpowers on the world was Aberrant, from White Wolf. Alan Moore's Watchmen took a look at it too.

[Bob Schroeck]

Go two days without enough time to even look in all the conferences, and a nice little "liked your work" thread explodes and gets messy gobbets all over everything.
At this rate I'll never catch up.

-- Bob
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For Jor-El so loved the Earth, he sent his only begotten son...

[Florin]

Ironically both of those happened. They stopped most of the OMAC's with a super EMP generator built by Ted Kord (Blue Beetle), and the whole Checkmate orginization was being run by a meglomanical telepath.
The whole science/magic and we hate mutants, but love Spidey thing has always bugged me to...--
Oh, what has science wrought? I sought only to turn a man into a metal-encased juggernaught of destruction powered by the unknown properties of a mysterious living crystal. How could this have all gone wrong?
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If you become a monster to put down a monster you've still got a monster running around at the end of the day and have as such not really solved the whole monster problem at all. 

[Ayiekie]

Ah, sorry Bob. ;p

[Custos Sophiae]

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If I can kill anyone I want, at anytime, and there is no chance of you stopping me I have all the secular power I want. Certainly I can't be everywhere at once, but you know what? I don't have to be. All I have to do is hear about someone not doing what I want and killl them. Fear is a very effective strategy for controlling your underlings.

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Potemkin villages and grand viziers. You can get people to tell you what you want to hear, but what they tell you needn't have any connection with the truth, and there's a long history of brain manipulating brawn.
The zoalords get round this by mass mind-control, which would work.

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The current ice age began a few million years ago, when there were already proto-humans around. Putting Arkanphel's origin then won't affect any of the present day events.
Umm... I'm afraid you're wrong. The last ice age ended 10,000 years ago and modern humans were around long before that.

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We're still in an ice age, technically. This is just an interglacial, which started circa 10,000 years ago; while there are permanent polar ice caps the ice age isn't over - but I did say began, not ended
Certainly canon shouldn't be lightly amended but if, as here, it would have zero impact on the present day action of the series, and if it's done with care and skill, then it needn't be a problem. Perhaps all the characters have miscalculated Arkanphel's age, because they've all made the same plausible false assumption.
Similarly with Jadeite. Ranma already contains a lot of implausible behaviour. A good writer will be able to come up with an explanation no more implausible than normal for the manga, and keep the reader too busy to notice the remaining inconsistencies.
If the writer is really good, the reader will gladly invent explanations for the problems themelves - as demonstrated by the legions of fan sites proposing ret cons for inconsistencies.
Among other things, you're mocking the flaws of badly written crossovers, but the key words there are 'badly written'. Crossovers are hard to do well, for all the reasons listed in this conversation and more, but - as you've both said - done well, they can be great.
There is more to Hybrid Theory than the crossovers though, and all of it is good. Chris has become an excellent self-righteous villain, blinded by the light to the evil he does, to name just one example of the superb character development.
Contrary to what Chris says, in some respects fighting an enemy you can't defeat, as Rei and Akane are doing, is in some ways more heroic than cutting off the serpent's head. Fighting on when you know you have no hope of victory takes rare courage.
The slow unfolding of the consequences of the setup is also good, as is the willingness to go grim.
In the end, I suspect, after destruction comes rebirth, in one form or another. I'm sure you're both too good a writer to do a complete reset, with the characters remembering nothing of what they've learnt, but there are many other options. I'll look forwards to finding out which, if any, actually happens.

[darwithe]

*shrug* Actually if both are post-series, then there is an easy explanation for why none of the Ranma cast responded to Jadeite's challenge. That is after all two years ago so...
You could say Ranma and Genma were not near Tokyo, Ryougo got lost on the way, Ukyou was still training against the sea, Soun prevented Akane from going, Kuno got stopped by the cops at the roadblock, the Amazons were, of course, still in China...
Really as long as you don't try to explain away the 'Endless Summer' nature of Ranma as meaning lots of time passes it isn't an issue.
It always irks me when people make Ranma 18 at then end of the series because there is nothing to support it. (Unless I'm seriously misremembering and there actually was a birthday storyline somewhere.)
Of far more showstopping nature to me is the idea of the Senshi not showing up during the Ashura/Tarou fight.

[Necratoid]

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The whole science/magic and we hate mutants, but love Spidey thing has always bugged me to...

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I thought that Spiderman got a pass because he did random crime stopping for the little guy. A super hero that shows up to save you from human muggers is a good PR move. Normal ones only show up to deal with super villians. Spiderman was right there infront of you... not that freak on the news hundreds of miles away. Batman does the same thing. He actually stopped crime without remove the city in the process. The super villians are press worth aberations for them not day to day stuff.
That and Spiderman constantly got hosed in the papers,,, then celibrated... the hosed. Spiderman was known as 'your friendly neighborhood Spideman' for a reason.
Has anyone concidered that minus the end bottle the Senshi tended to blunder into things half the time. They show up on purpose later... but Moon often ended up being attacked at some random store early on.

[Ayiekie]

Darwithe:
About a year passes over the course of Ranma, sez Takahashi, for what that's worth. It's certainly no more than that because Ranma and Ryouga are still 16 and Kunou still 17 as of the early 30s of the volumes.
So yes, if you say they weren't there, then you only have to explain why Soun Tendo and his family weren't tapped for it, given that they ARE tapped by the police for these sort of things, as I already pointed out (which makes it unlikely that the cops would stop any martial artist from interfering, even if they could). And speaking of martial artists, there's also Mariko, Asuka, Kunou, Kodachi, Sentarou, his grandmother, Satsuki, Mikado, Azusa... i.e., it's still a problem because Tokyo is stuffed with martial arts death machines.
The Asura/Tarou fight is less of a problem because unlike Jadeite, the entire city didn't know where they were in advance, and their fights were relatively short and fast-moving. Although they were still around long enough that you'd think somebody would poke around.
Necrotoid:
The problem is, the public is divided on Spider-man even after he's framed for crimes, and they love, say, the Fantastic Four (bathed in space rays) or Captain America (supersoldier serum) or the Vision (originally evil android). But if you're BORN with a mutant gene, you're automatically evil? Say wha? And what's to stop any mutant from saying "Well, actually, I just got bathed in, I dunno, Ultra Waves from an... alien... mind probe. That's where my powers come from, really. Yay, you love me now!" It'd make much more sense if the Xmen didn't share the same continuity as the non-mutant-based portions of the Marvel Universe.
And the Sailor Senshi rely on complete coincidence and plot contrivance to direct them in nearly every episode. You could probably count on one hand the number of times the Inners do actual detective work. Instead, if the villains decide to attack people on a cruise ship: why, wouldn't you know, Usagi wanted to take a cruise and won a contest to get on the ship! Or they're going after a painter - well, wouldn't you know that the Senshi just HAPPEN to be visiting his gallery the very moment he gets attacked!
In a very slight amount of defence for the series, Sailor Moon's got craploads of Destiny on her side, and she's destined to win, so you can use that to explain why she always happens to be in the right place at the right time. Until her Destiny gets mucked with, anyway...

[darwithe]

Heh, so say they do get tapped for it. It would nicely fix a plot hole about that episode that has always bugged me, namely you could have the martial artists caught up fighting the mind-controlled cops/minion things (I seem to remember the cops inside the airport proper actually being sand-golem fakes... but it has been like 6 years so *shrug*) which explains why they didn't try to dog-pile the senshi to let the planes run them down.
Hmm I can't seem to remember, did Usagi just remove the memories of the Senshi at the end of the Beryl arc or did she reset time itself?
Mariko, Mikado and Azusa are not the types that are likely to do anything about such a threat but leave Tokyo, and including Asuka and Kodachi into the lot you can easily say that at 14 they were all too weak to make an impact regardless.
Kuno likewise was probably too weak to make an impact at 15(It would also be amusing to say that is were his obsession with foul sorcerors comes from)
As for Tokyo being crawling with martial arts death machines I really don't buy it. You(or was it another?) mentioned the lack of shock over Ranma's abilities as helping indicate there must be heaps of them, but to be blunt they were, on quite a few occasions both the students and, more importantly since she should have a better idea of what a martial artist is capable of, Akane, express surprise/shock over what Ranma, then later as they get used to him, newcomer X can do.
Actually the easiest copout would be to subtly declare that Nerima isn't a ward of Tokyo at all. *shrug*

[Ayiekie]

The problem is, the mind-controlled cops/minion things weren't really very tough. You're right that I was incorrect earlier though; the cops inside were fake.
Mariko Konjou? Her life threatened and then just leaving Tokyo? Pshaw. You don't know much about the heart of a cheerleader!
Seriously, these people are not generally cowardly (nearly all of them fight Ranma, for starters). It takes an exceptional sort of person to be able to knock down walls with a punch (or sword stroke, or hitting it with a baton). Plus, in sheer physical ability they so grotesquely outmatch the Sailor Senshi that it's difficult to believe they'd be too weak to make a difference (especially in numbers) even if you do set it before Ranma 1/2 begins.
Yes, some people express shock over Ranma, a stupendous prodigy the likes of which are only seen once a century (or so they say about Konatsu, and Ranma's as good as him). COLOGNE gets surprised about Ranma; does that mean she's never seen a martial artist before? But nobody is amazed that a cheerleader can knock out an entire women's volleyball team with batons, nor is anybody aghast over the fact Akane can beat up literally dozens of athletes at once. Nobody is shocked over the Golden Pair, and while Kodachi's antics raise eyebrows, her skill does not. Bear in mind that even the weakest of these people, in real life, would shock the entire world.
Tokyo not crawling with MADMs and other potent beings? Let's take a headcount. There were two people at Furinkan High School that are blatently superhuman; by the end of the series, there's half a dozen. Seijyun has at least one; the Golden Pair are from the same school, Kodachi is well-known at her own school, Sentarou comes from a family of superhuman martial artists and is getting married to the scion of another, Picolet Chardin is the heir of an entire family line of generations of people with freakishly superhuman eating ability (and speed), Ryouga happened to go to the same juniour high as Ranma and has a house in town, Asuka of the White Lilies went to Kodachi's kindergarten, the Dojo Destroyer had dozens of signs and was a freakishly inhuman monstrosity in his own right, a Shinto priest that can seal demons knows Soun Tendo, Dr. Tofu has a clinic just down the road, Martial Arts Delivery Races bring out dozens of hopefuls, there's a temple with at least two actual gods in residence, Miss Hinako travels from school to school sucking the lifeforce out of delinquents, random construction workers can teach martial artists how to do emotion chi blasts (and the bakusai ten ketsu is a construction worker technique too!), and there's a family of "sexy" female ninjas and a ranch that raises giant sumo pigs just outside town. And let's not forget Happousai.
That's JUST in Tokyo (not even all of Japan, where there's lots more!). That's just what we KNOW is in Tokyo from what Ranma ran into. It's not counting the people that sell magical mushrooms or Jyusenkyou-based magic products or fishing rods that make anybody love you or battlesuits that are powered by chi or paper dolls that control your mind or eggs with legendary magical creatures in them, all of which were also found in Tokyo. That's probably me forgetting a few people, too.
These people are not that rare. The Ranmaverse crawls with superhuman martial artists and magic and the divine. You can literally trip over it without trying (as multiple characters in the series do more than once).
And Nerima is part of Tokyo. It actually exists, after all. Moreover, the setting is clearly in Tokyo. Even if it wasn't, all that means is Random Suburb X has this much stuff, meaning Tokyo would be even more wild.

[Necratoid]

Maybe the problem with the Marvel/DC universes is they ARE crossover universes (explaining the ret con syndrome). Spiderman visited enough on his own. Also, a mutant that got powers accidentally is something obtainable by the public... born in to it is harder for people to deal with. The gained powers are basically like powersuits this way. Also, mutant hate is a political issue... logic isn't always part of the package. They are blaming other people and logic and reason are to stay out of this. The X-men was basically a civil rights issues comic with battles. Spiderman was dealing with the McCarthy era comic book code which only Superman, Batman, and Wonder woman survived. While they declared Batman was giving off a 'gay' vibe they totally misssed that Wonder woman was vulnerable to bondage (her weakness is tiing her wrists together cancels her power... well minus that illogical episode she ended up a pig and broke free anyway once she turned back). They have an agenda and you and your logic can stay out of it.
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With Akane they had time for it to sink in she was that good. Those fights happened and then she was at them for over a month before Ranma got there. By the time the random martial artists were common it had time to sink in these freaks existed. With Ranma it was BAM!, 'Did he just jump out a third story window?' BAM! 'Kuno can do that with air pressure'?' BAM 'Did he just run through waist deep concrete complaining the other guy ran away'? Most of the MADM that showed up were after they had except that that just happened. Again. Well its free entertainment. When the Golden Pair came around they were something special. By Mariko it was 'Glee! another freak to watch fighting Ranma!' Their minds decided trying to rationalize it was pointless... and I think their insurance companies made them put up the 'Please do not break this wall' signs.
Remember that Ryoga became a small towns first tourist attraction in one episode, he was just that random. Explaining with my unofficial zoning would explain the density in Nerima. There only a few thousand world wide... they are just really noticeable. Happi found Soun (historical dojo owner/inheritor) and Genma in Nerima or near by. Also, the series concentrates on the times of conflict. A few weeks of downtime is normal.
The Japanese culturally try to ignore things they don't want to deal with (like how many people they brutally slaughtered as dogs in WW2). If it goes on long enough its time to except it and move on with your life or leave the area. The idea of not responding with 'Smile and nod' is relatively new to them. Recently they've had issues with women refusing to marry and demanding female only, groper free subway and train cars.
Always remember the Japanese are writing these not Americans... Hell, people mostly miss that Ranma 1/2 was meant to be a piece that blurred the traditional gender lines... not high art and drama. Ranma 1/2 is a social issue piece. This is one of the main reasons that so many strong powerful female leads show up in Japan.
As Canadians and Americans we already got most of the gender equality issues out of tour systems comparatively. If you look at Arabian comics they have a character that fights the evil Zionist empire. Comics are politically/culturally driven.
I always thought the show p at the right time thing also had to do with the first episode only cry for help from Molly via the meatball gems. Considering Usagi has another personality that kicks in on occasion she may be the one steered towards such events and not know it.

[darwithe]

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And Nerima is part of Tokyo. It actually exists, after all. Moreover, the setting is clearly in Tokyo. Even if it wasn't, all that means is Random Suburb X has this much stuff, meaning Tokyo would be even more wild.

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*shrug* I never got that 'clearly in Tokyo' feel to the setting however it has been long enough since I've done a complete read through that things are slightly blurred, backgrounds especially. And if I remember right Juuban dosn't truely exist and it very clearly is in Tokyo, so saying just because Nerima is in Tokyo in the real world it has to be in a fictional setting dosn't fly with me.
Meh, I think I'll just agree to disagree with you on this.

[Epsilon]

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And if I remember right Juuban dosn't truely exist and it very clearly is in Tokyo, so saying just because Nerima is in Tokyo in the real world it has to be in a fictional setting dosn't fly with me.

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Juuban exists in the Minato ward of Tokyo. Nerima is a ward of Tokyo. Think the difference between Manhattan and the Bronx.
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[darwithe]

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Juuban exists in the Minato ward of Tokyo. Nerima is a ward of Tokyo. Think the difference between Manhattan and the Bronx.

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*snaps fingers* Right, forgot that Juuban was just supposed to be a district like Furinken, rather than a ward.
*scratches head* Now was Furinken a fictional district or was it just Tomoboki?

[Epsilon]

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*snaps fingers* Right, forgot that Juuban was just supposed to be a district like Furinken, rather than a ward.
*scratches head* Now was Furinken a fictional district or was it just Tomoboki?

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Furinkan, BTW.
But I can't find any reference to Furinkan as an actual neighbourhood, unlike Azuba-Juuban which is a neighbourhood in the Minato Ward. Furinkan (according to Wikipedia) was entirely made up, as was Tomobiki.
Still, its the same thing as me making up "West High School" and setting it in Brooklyn, NY. Just because West High School is a fictional creation doens't mean we can assume Brooklyn is in an entirely different geographical location.
Nope, Nerima is one of the twenty-three special wards of Tokyo, just like Shinjuku. Really, with sources like Wikipedia and the internet there's no reason not to know ths stuff. ^_^
EDIT: Although one thing to note is that Narita Airport is actually pretty far from Tokyo proper. It's one hour away from downtown by the fastest train available (this is why we see the Senshi taking the train there in the episode in question).
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[robkelk]

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And if I remember right Juuban dosn't truely exist and it very clearly is in Tokyo,

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Juuban most certainly does exist in Tokyo - Japan's "embassy row" is in Juuban.
-Rob Kelk
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012