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One of the few really cool concepts from the otherwise lame Scion RPG was the concept of Fatebound. That is, when a person has gotten enough of a personal Legend then anyone who interacts with you automatically gets dragged into your personal Legend as a character in your tale. This applies not only to individuals but to places and phenomena as well. So if your Legend is that you are the World's Greatest Detective then no matter where you go you will find a mystery to solve. It also works on you in reverse as well. No matter what you do you will end up someplace where a mystery will need to be solved.
Its not so much that you make people around you into murderers (Fate never forces people to act in ways that they won't) as Fate makes certain that if you are going to do something that would work into the Legend, you do it when the Hero is around. So if there is a person contemplating murder he will do so when you happen to be on the same train (or in some other examples, if there is a dragon sleeping under a lake he will wake up just when the Dragonslayer shows up...).
It was an awesome excuse for explaining PCs.
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Ebony Wrote:Ah, the "Murder, She Caused" phenomenon. A friend of mine had someone like that wandering around the World of Darkness setting, back when we were playing Werewolf: the Apocalypse. I forget how it worked, but she subconsciously provoked people into committing murders. Transcontinental flights resulted in a string of murders across the the flyover states. Something like that is already canon within the World of Darkness ( The Book of Madness, IIRC). There was a Son of Ether who decided to become a noirish masked hero but got shot during his first encounter with a street thug. The reality of vigilante crime fighting was so different from his expectations that he snapped and became a Marauder. It turned out that the lethal shot to the chest was 'only a fleshwound'.
From that point onward he became fully immersed in his role as a masked crimefighter, complete with a dramatic wind that ruffled his clothing in an intimidating fashion. The text makes it clear that a careful analysis of his patrols would discern that people with criminal tendencies are statistically more likely to commit crimes when he is in the area. This was most likely a reflexive Mind effect.
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Jessica Fletcher has a Death Note.
There are never any details written in, just the single word: "Murdered." It's more fun when she has to figure out how it happened, after all...
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Evil Midnight Lurker Wrote:Jessica Fletcher has a Death Note.
There are never any details written in, just the single word: "Murdered." It's more fun when she has to figure out how it happened, after all...
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Should read more ><
But yeah. Nobody ever suspects the kindly old lady. Exactly as planned...
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Tron/ReBoot
Where programs that fight for the users are seen as sociopaths.
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sweno Wrote:Tron/ReBoot
Where programs that fight for the users are seen as sociopaths. I think this has been mentioned before. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that, at least in Fanon, Tron is a Messianic figure for denizens of the Net and the Web, being the first Guardian.
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I guess it depends on which universe is the majority. It boils down to one sticking point for me at least.
In ReBoot, when a user wins a game sections of their world are overwritten, in what is portrayed as a very destructive process.
That is a significant departure from tron, where the only people in danger are those that join the games.
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What happens when you take the loudest, most obnoxious ninja in all of manga, and you erase all his lines. Something better no doubt.
Naruto Without Naruto
Naruto/Garfied without Garfield.
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Herr Bad Moon Wrote:What happens when you take the loudest, most obnoxious ninja in all of manga, and you erase all his lines. Something better no doubt.
Naruto Without Naruto
Naruto/Garfied without Garfield. ... but we already have that. It's the manga currently referred to as 'Sasuke'.
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Rather have Naruto without Sasuke than Sasuke without Naruto.
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A teenage girl lives alone on an Island, born with with the power to see and summon Phantoms. Everyone she meets shuns her as "The Possessed One." Ever since her parents died, only the Phantom of a dead Wizard treats her like a real person.
Phantom Brave / Dresden Files fusion
(I just got the PSP remake of Phantom Brave)
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Darker Than Black/Ghost In The Shell (Stand Alone Complex flavor) fusion. A Hei vs. Motoko fight would be inevitable.
...it can sometimes take me a long time to get around to seeing things.
Two great tastes that go great together!
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Nanoha A's and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.
A lonely child gets a magical book which promises to solve all her problems and gives her the friends she always needed... and then gets another book which also promises to solve all her problems...
Uh-oh, looks like its a magical reality-changing book territory fight, with poor Nanoha caught in the middle. Well, at least she's made a whole bunch of new friends in the TSAB Guild...
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We've swapped the King of All Cosmos with the King of Rock and Roll. Let's see what happens.
Actually, having the King of All Cosmos played by Michael Jackson....
No, wait. That belongs in the *other* thread.
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...oops. I actually meant to post that in the other thread, but I was in a hurry and clicked without reading.
(What about the other way around?)
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Epsilon Wrote:Nanoha A's and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.
A lonely child gets a magical book which promises to solve all her problems and gives her the friends she always needed... and then gets another book which also promises to solve all her problems...
Uh-oh, looks like its a magical reality-changing book territory fight, with poor Nanoha caught in the middle. Well, at least she's made a whole bunch of new friends in the TSAB Guild...
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Epsilon Wasn't there a character in FFTA that was trapped in a wheelchair, but could walk in Ivalice? (and was a ninja or something?)
One book gave her friends, the other let her walk. Yeah, Hayate isn't going to want to go back.
Also, wouldn't this drop Nanoha into the role of the game's villain protagonist?
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Jorlem Wrote:Wasn't there a character in FFTA that was trapped in a wheelchair, but could walk in Ivalice? (and was a ninja or something?)
One book gave her friends, the other let her walk. Yeah, Hayate isn't going to want to go back.
Also, wouldn't this drop Nanoha into the role of the game's villain protagonist? Yes. The main character's little brother, in fact.
Also, yes, yes it would.
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Bolo/Terminator
Because having those very opposite views of what an AI war machines face off would be very interesting...(Although I will note that a Bolo versus a terminator falls under the category of extreme curbstomp with the terminator being literally reduced to atoms) However Skynet in a cyberwar versus a Bolo AI would be the path I would like to see...
On one side the AI as the protector of humanity and on the other the AI as the nemesis of humanity...
The other alternative would be Bolo's versus Beserkers (Fred Saberhagen's)
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Or, if you're talking pure cyberwar, how about the "Machines" from the Matrix?
(Note that I haven't actually read any of the Bolo stories. I really do want to correct that, but I've never been able to figure out where to start, and the issue has never risen to the top of my personal priority list.)
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Quote:but I've never been able to figure out where to start
The Bolo books, more than anything I've ever read, are a 'start anywhere' universe. There's no overarching plotline that spans more than a single title, so there's no reason not to just grab and go.
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Wiredgeek Wrote:Quote:but I've never been able to figure out where to start
The Bolo books, more than anything I've ever read, are a 'start anywhere' universe. There's no overarching plotline that spans more than a single title, so there's no reason not to just grab and go. I will second this, with one caveat: start with the actual Keith Laumer Bolo stories *first*, to get a real feel for the universe.
Quote:Yes. The main character's little brother, in fact.
Also, yes, yes it would.
Speaking as someone avoiding the canon for now... I think your off on the casting. Nanoha as the player character sure... but I've never seen a version of Hyatt that considers the wheel chair and soul eating thing to be anything, but a cost of doing business and something that makes her pack happy. I see her more as the girl running a store and going on her own missions for supplies. A random Knight left tending the store. I can't see her as the psycho one, it'd be her pack behind her back trying to keep the world around. Though with all the crazy NPCs and monster around... I can see them filling the book quietly in the back ground.
The crazy one trying to keep the world around at most costs is Fate. The one were her sister is up and vital and Queen Mommy of the Law Guard fails to operate under the child raising theory of, 'The beatings will continue until moral improves!", at best.
I'd also suggest that Nanoha's rich friends end up as part of her guild or in the rival with sanity role. I can se at least one of them as being a beast tamer ignoring the species restrictions. Their archer bunny girl misnion ever confused if she counts as a minion, pet, or romantic intrest with that one. Not something that effects their working relationship... but confusing on the personal level. The other off worlder in the clan is forcefully ignorant about what is going on with that.
I also wouldn't make Nanoha's clan the TSAB one... they'd be baffled in orbit about how the protocol handled this kind of thing. The jewel seeds, two major, reality altering books and the general multi layered reality of that world with random massive seals breaking at screwing up any hope of orbital scans doing anything productive. They'd need a ground clan to get anything done. I can't imagine the paperwork this would entail.
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If you wanted to go for the trifecta here... have Fate (or alternately Nanoha's two normal friend) end up bringing in a certain mysterious play into this mess. That would screw things up nicely.
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Either way you do realise that you have doomed an entire city once a Marlboro snags a jewel seed and turns into its Final Fantasy 7 incarnation. Sneak Attack>Bad Breath>TPK.
Necratoid: Not so! They're wearing ribbons, after all. They may think they're dead. It may confuse the heck out of them why they're not dead, but they'll be *fine*.
I didn't mean the main characters (though without it being an end game boss I don't think they have Ribbon ribbons, unless they get a morph materia and a swarm of master tonneberries at any rate)... I meant the town that gets offed. Seriously, those things have tens of thousands of HP... in a system with 1000 HP being insane. Even considering levels from FFXII we are talking level 70+ encounter in a 50 level system. It will be in a mission were a town is turned into a jagged by one monster. The material rewards will be insane. Granted once she gets Starlight Break and fight it will be doable via aerial artillery... but it will off clans and even judges before it goes down.
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