All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part VIII

[LulzKiller]

Just a progress update on the DEFAULTSORTKEY project:

Sortkey begins with
Page count"A "1433"AN "157"THE " (all)19822"THE " (is a subpage)9382

So, only 20k to go!  Going to want a bot to help? 

would we do that with regex or AWB?

[Labster]

My cute answer is "both".  However, there's a major problem with using MassEditRegex: the regex doesn't have access to the page's metadata, only the page text.  The page title is the important metadata in this context.  I suppose it would be possible to do it in two edits with MERx: the first to add something like "" to the page, and the second to extract the title information and replace it with a proper {{DEFAULTSORT}}.  If all you have is a hammer, eventually you'll knock that bolt loose.
But really, bots are the right choice.  I've never actually used AWB, but I assume it can do it?  I'm running a major link update now -- I think I was two whole years out of date on that.  In passing, if it notices a page without a sortkey, it will go ahead and add one.  This is one of those jobs that will edit in the thousands of pages, so I should solve some of the problem today.
-- ∇×V

[LulzKiller]

http://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/7674

A crat needs to give back dai-guard rights

[LulzKiller]

thank fuck i removed the filters ability to remove user rights after that because after editing the article daiguard edited to test it it blocked me too.

[robkelk]

What license do we put on derivative works?

Original: http://superredundant.com/?comic=116-number-crunching
TVT's/ATT's file: http://allthetropes.org/wiki/File:LoSRH116_4754.jpg

It's obviously a derivative, but it isn't an exact copy.
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Bob Schroeck]

I went ahead and created a navbox for the ages of Comic books:

http://allthetropes.org/wiki/Template: ... ero_Comics]here for them as wants to see it. I guess I'll do the animation one I suggested now.
-- Bob
---------
Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.

[Labster]

 Finished my rename-bot run.  As a side-effect, I hit about 1000 pages with a DEFAULTSORT:
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[robkelk]

... There are probably some unused redirects that should be deleted now.  ...

I wouldn't bother deleting them. Somebody might come to ATT from elsewhere on the web by way of an "unused" redirect.

Unless the redirects are spelled incorrectly - then I say "nuke them". ATT is not a dictionary.
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Labster]

I'm afraid that depends on your definition of spelled incorrectly.  Which of these would qualify?
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[robkelk]

I'm afraid that depends on your definition of spelled incorrectly.  Which of these would qualify?

"ANZA Cs", "Striker S Sound Stage X", "Where Where", and "Re Lex", at the minimum.

Just FYI, Amanda wants to be unbanned, but with her cousin/ alternate personality Lawrence-Prairies is still banned.

Using the same idiosyncrasies of grammar and language, and the same attitude of removing unflattering posts made by others, as LP. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and acts like a duck...
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Bob Schroeck]

... it ain't a gerbil in swim fins...
-- Bob
---------
Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.

[LulzKiller]

All this basically confirms is that John's an unique human who has this specific difference between him and every other human.

It's that he is an invertebrate.

Tell john to stop pussying about and just filter out the fucking emails.

Utter fucking pisstake.

[robkelk]

And now I'm getting a massive number of 503s when trying to edit the freebie wiki. Also getting 503s on ATT and Meta.
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[robkelk]

Funny how all the trouble accessing Miraheze disappeared once the stewards caved...

(crosses that bridge; burns it)

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Do we have a page under Writer's Tools for licenses?

Do we want a page under Writer's Tools - or anywhere else on ATT - for licenses?

Over on the freebie wiki, I just chased a free-use license down a rabbit-hole... and came up with two of them instead of the expected one. So, here's the start of a list of licenses, in MediaWiki markup:

* GNU doesn't have an "art" license, instead sending people to FSF
* FSF doesn't have an "art" license, instead sending people to artlibre.org
* [http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ artlibre.org Free Art License 1.3]
* [http://opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license/ Open Source Initiative Artistic license] - two versions

And there's always Creative Commons. Anybody got a link for them?

This (hypothetical?) page should also mention "putting your work into the public domain" - which is not the same as offering a license for it.
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[LulzKiller]

Funny how all the trouble accessing Miraheze disappeared once the stewards caved...

(crosses that bridge; burns it)

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Do we have a page under Writer's Tools for licenses?

Do we want a page under Writer's Tools - or anywhere else on ATT - for licenses?

Over on the freebie wiki, I just chased a free-use license down a rabbit-hole... and came up with two of them instead of the expected one. So, here's the start of a list of licenses, in MediaWiki markup:

* GNU doesn't have an "art" license, instead sending people to FSF
* FSF doesn't have an "art" license, instead sending people to artlibre.org
* [http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ artlibre.org Free Art License 1.3]
* [http://opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license/ Open Source Initiative Artistic license] - two versions

And there's always Creative Commons. Anybody got a link for them?

This (hypothetical?) page should also mention "putting your work into the public domain" - which is not the same as offering a license for it.

How long until it all goes to shit again like we all know it will

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I guess it could count under the GNU Free Documentation License
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_ ... on_License

It's naturally designed for non-fiction works but I don't see why it couldn't be applied to literature.

[robkelk]

...
Do we have a page under Writer's Tools for licenses?

Do we want a page under Writer's Tools - or anywhere else on ATT - for licenses?

Over on the freebie wiki, I just chased a free-use license down a rabbit-hole... and came up with two of them instead of the expected one. So, here's the start of a list of licenses, in MediaWiki markup:

* GNU doesn't have an "art" license, instead sending people to FSF
* FSF doesn't have an "art" license, instead sending people to artlibre.org
* [http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ artlibre.org Free Art License 1.3]
* [http://opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license/ Open Source Initiative Artistic license] - two versions

And there's always Creative Commons. Anybody got a link for them?

This (hypothetical?) page should also mention "putting your work into the public domain" - which is not the same as offering a license for it.

...
I guess it could count under the GNU Free Documentation License
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_ ... on_License

It's naturally designed for non-fiction works but I don't see why it couldn't be applied to literature.

You're right - somebody could no doubt apply GPL or LGPL to a work of fiction.

(The trip down the rabbit-hole was because a 3D model mentioned the "GNU Fan Art" license - which isn't listed on the GNU license page. I should ask whether the artist intended to use GPL or LGPL...)
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Labster]

How long until it all goes to shit again like we all know it will

Oh well, not my problem.  I'm taking the rest of the month off from working on Miraheze stuff.  I had some free time, and I was actually going to find extensions to review today, but instead I'm going to have to use my time on deleting multiple emails from "Amanda" every day.
-- ∇×V

[LulzKiller]

robkelk

...
Do we have a page under Writer's Tools for licenses?

Do we want a page under Writer's Tools - or anywhere else on ATT - for licenses?

Over on the freebie wiki, I just chased a free-use license down a rabbit-hole... and came up with two of them instead of the expected one. So, here's the start of a list of licenses, in MediaWiki markup:

* GNU doesn't have an "art" license, instead sending people to FSF
* FSF doesn't have an "art" license, instead sending people to artlibre.org
* [http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ artlibre.org Free Art License 1.3]
* [http://opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license/ Open Source Initiative Artistic license] - two versions

And there's always Creative Commons. Anybody got a link for them?

This (hypothetical?) page should also mention "putting your work into the public domain" - which is not the same as offering a license for it.

...
I guess it could count under the GNU Free Documentation License
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_ ... on_License

It's naturally designed for non-fiction works but I don't see why it couldn't be applied to literature.

You're right - somebody could no doubt apply GPL or LGPL to a work of fiction.

(The trip down the rabbit-hole was because a 3D model mentioned the "GNU Fan Art" license - which isn't listed on the GNU license page. I should ask whether the artist intended to use GPL or LGPL...)

GFDL != L/GPL.

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What extensions were you looking at? I'm a nosy bastard.

[Labster]

Probably Extension:AutoSitemap would have been approved today.  I didn't finish, but the part I saw looked good (though I did wander why they just didn't include the classes from maintenence/generateSitemap.php).
Now I guess I should work on Extension:CategoryTrails, which hacks PmWiki trails into MediaWiki.  http://github.com/labster/mediawiki-CategoryTrails
-- ∇×V

[robkelk]

How long until it all goes to shit again like we all know it will

Who had "one day"?
http://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?t ... ldid=20636

I've asked the admins on Meta "Is this a valid edit to somebody's User page other than one's own?"
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Bob Schroeck]

And suddenly I get a couple "Internal error" messages and now ATT, Meta and who knows what else is throwing 503s.
Regarding Rob's post above, can we set up user pages to be editable only by the owner and the admins, by default? (I really need to spend some of my copious free time reading MediaWiki docs.)
-- Bob
---------
Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.

[robkelk]

poserdazfreebies is also throwing 503s.

We can set a top-of-the-edit-box message for pages by namespace, but I don't know whether we can selectively set edit functions for pages by namespace.

EDIT: I dont see anything in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents]the manual about protecting an entire namespace.
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[LulzKiller]

How long until it all goes to shit again like we all know it will

Who had "one day"?
http://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?t ... ldid=20636

I've asked the admins on Meta "Is this a valid edit to somebody's User page other than one's own?"

Reception conveniently deleted the whole userpage so I now have no idea what you mean.

We might also want to review all the code that Miraheze has on GitHub just in case the namespace thing can be done via PHP code like per LocalSettings.php

[Bob Schroeck]

The wiki came back after about 30 minutes, so I presume it's some of the normal weirdness and not enemy action.

And before we spill over the 300-post count, it's time to close this thread and inaugurate part 9.
-- Bob
---------
Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.

[Labster]

Just a progress update on the DEFAULTSORTKEY project:
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