All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XII

[Bob Schroeck]

I'd like to request a couple bot jobs, please, since I haven't been able to get mine to work for quite a long time.

First: This morning, I renamed "Third Person Person" to "Third-Person Person"; it has a lot of inbound links that really should be changed.

Second: I'm planning to merge Category:Thriller Literature into Category:Thriller (whose page says it covers movies and literature both). There are far more pages in Thriller Literature than I care to change by hand; can this be botted, too?

Thank you.

[robkelk]

As long as bot runs are being requested...

There are so many pages in category "Heartwarming" that do not use the template "Heartwarming" that DynamicPageList3 cannot list them all. See the start of the list here, and please purge/refresh the list after each bot run until there aren't any pages left.

[robkelk]

Posted to both of the relevant Talk pages:

Proposal: Merge "Lover and Beloved" into "Sexy Mentor"

I see no reason why we have two pages discussing the exact same trope: [[Lover and Beloved]] and [[Sexy Mentor]]. Since the trope is about a teacher/student dynamic, "Sexy Mentor" is the more descriptive name; I propose we use that and merge the other page into that one.

(Before somebody points out the genders of the people involved, I'll point out that I live in a country where same-sex marriage has been legal for over a decade. The genders of the people involved ''don't matter''.)

[Morganite]

I can almost see something that looks like a non-gender related distinction between the two, but the example lists don't actually fit with it, so whatever.

Mentor Ship sounds like about the same thing too.

-Morgan.

[Bob Schroeck]

Hm. Found a bug of sorts.

I just moved Trope Namers out of the main namespace and into the project namespace. Trope Namers has an "{{examples on subpages}}" template on it -- which apparently doesn't work outside of Main. I've moved Trope Namers and its subpages back into Main for now, but we might want to tweak that template so it doesn't care what namespace it's in.

[Bob Schroeck]

On another topic, I'd like to get a consensus from the admins on the various "Tropes Are X" pages (Tropes Are Flexible, Tropes Are Not Bad, Tropes Are Not Good, Tropes Are Tools). These are not tropes in and of themselves, rather being commentary on how tropes are approached for various purposes within the wiki. But if they are not tropes, what are they? Useful Notes? And as advice/guidelines, do they belong in the project namespace?

[GethN7]

On another topic, I'd like to get a consensus from the admins on the various "Tropes Are X" pages (Tropes Are Flexible, Tropes Are Not Bad, Tropes Are Not Good, Tropes Are Tools).  These are not tropes in and of themselves, rather being commentary on how tropes are approached for various purposes within the wiki.  But if they are not tropes, what are they?  Useful Notes?  And as advice/guidelines, do they belong in the project namespace?

I'd consider them "meta-tropes". While not tropes in and of themselves in most situations, they are commentary on the use of tropes and thus fall into that weird useful notes/trope page hybrid area.

[robkelk]

What Geth said. And I'd put them in the All The Tropes namespace, myself.

[Bob Schroeck]

Then that's what I'll do. I believe we have a Meta category already; I'll clone the Trope template to a Meta-Trope template and change the category on it, then use it for them and anything else we decide needs it.

Edit: We do have a Meta category, but it's not quite what we want. We do have "Trope Tropes", which self-describes as "tropes about tropes" but also as tropes about the trope life cycle. I think it's close enough for these.

[robkelk]

Close enough for private-sector work. (Government work is somewhat more demanding... )

[robkelk]

"Face, Nod, Action", "Film/Fridge/Boom", and "Pro Porn Clones" have all been nominated for deletion for over two months. I just posted a deadline to all three Talk pages - edit by Friday, or the pages get tossed.

Obviously, that didn't happen last weekend. I've just deleted those three pages and their category pages, and cleaned up the links to them. (Yes, there were pages that linked to "Face, Nod, Action". Not too many, luckily. And doing that sweep gave me an excuse to mention the two animated Adam West / Burt Ward / Julie Newmar Batman movies on the appropriate page.)

While doing that, I found a couple more pages of the format "Film/Fridge/(whatever)". I've moved them to "(whatever)/Fridge" even though they don't have parent pages; I didn't have time to find out whether there's enough information available to make the associated parent pages for them. EDIT: "The Backup Plan/Fridge" and "The 27 Club/Fridge"

[robkelk]

A few times in the recent past, I've had occasion to find in-theatre movie posters, so I started a new category today. SelfCloak found about half of the current content, while I've pulled images off the "imported from TVTropes without license information" list for the other half (adding license information as I went).

If folks could find and tag more, I'd appreciate it.

[Black Aeronaut]

I noticed that Crocodile Dundee was not on films list for the Outside Context Villain trope and vice versa, so I went ahead and threw that one in there.

EDIT: Honestly, the entire franchise centers around this trope! How did you guys miss it!?

[Black Aeronaut]

Oh, and why the heck does Brian Blessed not have his own subsection under Large Ham/Film? The man is the very essence of this trope, both on-screen and off! I'd do it myself, except I don't have the Trivial Pursuit film chops for it.

[robkelk]

Never having had an account on the Other Tropes Wiki, I can't answer this post.

[Black Aeronaut]

It sounds like to me that they're referring to Fast Eddie's pogrom on TVT.

I recommend we point them at Fast Eddie's Encyclopedia Dramatica entry.  While the commentary is certainly biased, the facts presented, as far as I can tell, are not distorted.

[Bob Schroeck]

While doing that, I found a couple more pages of the format "Film/Fridge/(whatever)". I've moved them to "(whatever)/Fridge" even though they don't have parent pages; I didn't have time to find out whether there's enough information available to make the associated parent pages for them. EDIT: "The Backup Plan/Fridge" and "The 27 Club/Fridge"

I stumbled across a few pages hanging off "Real Life" like that yesterday afternoon and took care of them as well. One wasn't even anything but a typical "real life" example section living on its own page for no good reason.

[Bob Schroeck]

A propos of nothing in particular, it's so amusing that the spammers like to use such obvious names when registering for access. I mean, nobody but a spammer has a reason for a username like JohnSmith0123456 on ATT. Do they think everywhere is like Yahoo or Gmail, and thus names like that will slip quietly under the radar?

[Bob Schroeck]

Say, here's a question.

What's the best trope to cover how improbably effective Blake Belladona's bow was at hiding her cat ears in the first three volumes of RWBY? Clark Kenting, Paper-Thin Disguise, Wig, Dress, Accent, or something else entirely?

[Mamorien]

Say, here's a question.

What's the best trope to cover how improbably effective Blake Belladona's bow was at hiding her cat ears in the first three volumes of RWBY?  Clark Kenting, Paper-Thin Disguise, Wig, Dress, Accent, or something else entirely?

Whichever one includes Superguy's Mask Principle.

[robkelk]

I'd go with Paper-Thin Disguise.

(Clark Kenting, IIRC, is for when the character has two identities, which Blake does not.)

[robkelk]

Is there any way we can enforce image captions? Apple is in trouble for their website not being webreader-friendly; we don't need to be in the same boat.

[robkelk]

An aside: Do you know how difficult it was for me to add an example to "Wanton Cruelty to the Common Comma" without doing a copyedit of the entire page? (Aargh...)

[robkelk]

I see we have analytics now.

It's interesting to see when people are visiting ATT, and what they're using to view the wiki.

EDIT: However, I don't know how accurate that data is. The analytics for the private wiki we set up earlier this week for BlackAeronaut's shared universe are definitely wrong - the data tells my copy of FireFox in Canada that that wiki is only visited by people using Chrome in the USA.

[GethN7]

I see we have analytics now.

It's interesting to see when people are visiting ATT, and what they're using to view the wiki.

EDIT: However, I don't know how accurate that data is. The analytics for the private wiki we set up earlier this week for BlackAeronaut's shared universe are definitely wrong - the data tells my copy of FireFox in Canada that that wiki is only visited by people using Chrome in the USA.

It's probably filtering out your visits to avoid skewing the data.