All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXIV

[robkelk]

On a different topic entirely, am I the only one irritated by Burnator's profane objection to a Japanese trope name?

You are not. I was sorely tempted to refer him to "No Lewdness, No Prudishness"...

[Bob Schroeck]

We'll see if he's got anything better, or if this was some "grr speak english!" reactionary crap.

EDIT: I was already not really liking Burnator for his extended series of plagiarized or otherwise unacceptable edits. This has done nothing to improve my opinion of him.

[Bob Schroeck]

Update on the search issue: Reception123 has gone ahead and made the proposed schema change. One of the affected wikis is already fixed, and for us? Well...

@Looney_Toons Search is being progressively rebuild on ATT and should hopefully be working by tomorrow.

[robkelk]

EDIT:  I was already not really liking Burnator for his extended series of plagiarized or otherwise unacceptable edits.  This has done nothing to improve my opinion of him.

Speaking of, what is he going on about in this proposed edit?

[GethN7]

EDIT:  I was already not really liking Burnator for his extended series of plagiarized or otherwise unacceptable edits.  This has done nothing to improve my opinion of him.

Speaking of, what is he going on about in this proposed edit?

The price of certain kinds of seafood in some regions of the US apparently. Relatively noncontroversial edit compared to their other ones, grammar of the word coastal aside.

[robkelk]

EDIT:  I was already not really liking Burnator for his extended series of plagiarized or otherwise unacceptable edits.  This has done nothing to improve my opinion of him.

Speaking of, what is he going on about in this proposed edit?

The price of certain kinds of seafood in some regions of the US apparently. Relatively noncontroversial edit compared to their other ones, grammar of the word coastal aside.

Ah. I'll let somebody else do something with that one; the mood I'm in right now, I'd just say "only in your country" and reject it.

[Bob Schroeck]

It's nothing of any value, plus minor grammar error ("ridiculous" instead of "ridiculously"). But it doesn't make the page worse. I'll pass it and we can deal with it at our leisure.

[Bob Schroeck]

Here's one I'm trying to find: Do we have any kind of trope for a device or object with a limited operating time? Like the Mol unit's 666 seconds in Moldiver? I've been digging through the time tropes indices but having no luck.

[robkelk]

Getting a bunch of protesters demonstrating at Parliament Hill today - truckers who don't want to get their shots but still want to be allowed to cross the border (so they're complaining to us instead of to Washington), with the accretion of the expected anti-vaxxers - a friend who's actually seen the convoy says it looks like ten pickups for every one commercial truck.

He also called it the "Flu Trux Klan", which I think is apropos; choices have consequences, and these folks don't like the consequences of their choices so they want to be placed above the law.

This protest is continuing.

After keeping people awake all hours of the night every night last week, the protest's organizers offered to have the protesters stop honking their trucks' horns between 9am and 1pm today. Honking resumed at 10am -- which shows how little control the protest's organizers actually have.

Thus, the city is now in a state of emergency. And police will be preventing fuel and food from reaching the protesters.

The city's big winter festival, which was supposed to get thousands of people out of their homes and into the fresh air, is now online only. Mind you, that was going to happen this year anyway, but it's one more straw on the camel's back.

Well, at least Stephen Colbert apologized to Canada about this, so things aren't completely bad... but, yeah, I had to look south of the border to get a chuckle out of the situation.

The entire province is now under a state of emergency, because a second truck-blockade went up at the busiest border crossing with the USA and Joe Biden took notice. (Further discussion about the latter part of that belongs in Politics.)

We'll see what happens this weekend.

Injunctions are being flouted.

Since I am now sufficiently pissed off that I do not trust my own judgment, I am stepping back from my mod role for the immediate future in order to protect the wiki.

[GethN7]

Getting a bunch of protesters demonstrating at Parliament Hill today - truckers who don't want to get their shots but still want to be allowed to cross the border (so they're complaining to us instead of to Washington), with the accretion of the expected anti-vaxxers - a friend who's actually seen the convoy says it looks like ten pickups for every one commercial truck.

He also called it the "Flu Trux Klan", which I think is apropos; choices have consequences, and these folks don't like the consequences of their choices so they want to be placed above the law.

This protest is continuing.

After keeping people awake all hours of the night every night last week, the protest's organizers offered to have the protesters stop honking their trucks' horns between 9am and 1pm today. Honking resumed at 10am -- which shows how little control the protest's organizers actually have.

Thus, the city is now in a state of emergency. And police will be preventing fuel and food from reaching the protesters.

The city's big winter festival, which was supposed to get thousands of people out of their homes and into the fresh air, is now online only. Mind you, that was going to happen this year anyway, but it's one more straw on the camel's back.

Well, at least Stephen Colbert apologized to Canada about this, so things aren't completely bad... but, yeah, I had to look south of the border to get a chuckle out of the situation.

The entire province is now under a state of emergency, because a second truck-blockade went up at the busiest border crossing with the USA and Joe Biden took notice. (Further discussion about the latter part of that belongs in Politics.)

We'll see what happens this weekend.

Injunctions are being flouted.

Since I am now sufficiently pissed off that I do not trust my own judgment, I am stepping back from my mod role for the immediate future in order to protect the wiki.

Rob, I understand. I have stepped away myself when I did not trust my own judgment, please take whatever time off is required. You will be in my prayers that you can return at a later date with your personal situation vastly improved and we will welcome you back with open arms to resume your duties whenever you feel you are able to do so.

In the meantime, we'll mind the store while you are out. Please see to your own affairs and well being in the meantime, we understand entirely.

[Norgarth]

I'm pretty annoyed by the ones causing trouble in Windsor and they aren't even directly impacting me. Unlike a couple friends who work in the areas where these idiots are blocking traffic.

secondary effects are starting to impact me though, so I'm hoping it gets resolved soon.

[Bob Schroeck]

At about 3:10 EST -- five minutes ago -- it looks like anything that is transcluded thanks to a template has been broken -- losing all special formatting and markup. Most notably page templates/menus and tropelist/examples.

EDIT: Never mind, it fixed itself.

[robkelk]

Erk! I wasn't expecting that many pages to have the "tropestub" tag... The list of Trope Workshop pages just doubled in size.

Sorry about that. At least now we know about them all.

EDIT: Mind you, I have no idea how "PlayStation 4" is a trope... somebody needs to go through the list and fix the stub tags on the pages that aren't actually tropes.

[Bob Schroeck]

Erk! I wasn't expecting that many pages to have the "tropestub" tag... The list of Trope Workshop pages just doubled in size.

Sorry about that. At least now we know about them all.

EDIT: Mind you, I have no idea how "PlayStation 4" is a trope... somebody needs to go through the list and fix the stub tags on the pages that aren't actually tropes.

Somebody has.  I've converted a few tropestubs to plain stubs.  I've removed a few on "this page has lots of main text and more than dozen examples" grounds.  I've marked a couple of the pages for outright deletion.  I pretty much entirely rewrote one that caught my eye.  Someone else can now look into what I left in my wake.

[Black Aeronaut]

On a different topic entirely, am I the only one irritated by Burnator's profane objection to a Japanese trope name?

Oh where to even begin with that.

Heh.  I began twice before I was satisfied with what I wrote.

I was sorely tempted to comment about this myself, but then I noticed that it was already 9-10 days old.  That said, though, I have the body of what I had thought to write.  If anyone thinks it's of any use, please let me know.  It may even be useful as YMMV material on the trope page itself.

Hrm.  I don't normally skulk around here, but given that I'm one of a few Japanophiles in Bob's usual haunt who's actually been in Japan for an extended period of time, I feel I'm pretty well qualified to supply some useful feedback.

Part of the issue here is that "Yamato Nadeshiko" is, in and of itself, a distinctly Japanese trope without any real counterpart in any other culture.  That is, a very kind, gentle, docile young woman who is not only physically attractive on just about every level, but also very erudite and well educated.  She is also extremely proficient in domestic affairs such as cleaning, cooking, and balancing the household budget.

In short, she is the Japanese version of A Perfect Woman.  However, here the waters are muddied in that other cultures have different ideas about what makes A Perfect Woman.

The closest thing we get to that in American culture is "The Girl Next Door", but that lacks some of the implications that the Yamato Nadeshiko has.  For example, The Girl Next Door can be extremely lively and rambunctious, and nowhere nearly as well educated.  The only real requirements is that she is extremely physically attractive ("Hellloooooooo NURSE!") and suitably personable.  The Yamato Nadeshiko, on the other hand, is (again) a docile personality not given to the rambunctious hi-jinks The Girl Next Door might exhibit.

My advice?  Take a chill pill, do some research, and if you still feel that a change is needed, *then* come at this again, only a little less profane and with some actual solid reasons for it.  As has been mentioned by Bob, very rarely is a title for a trope what one might expect without suitable context.

Believe me, if such a thing were possible, then this world we live in would be a lot less confusing.  Unfortunately, though, we have to work with what we got.

[GethN7]

On a different topic entirely, am I the only one irritated by Burnator's profane objection to a Japanese trope name?

Oh where to even begin with that.

Heh.  I began twice before I was satisfied with what I wrote.

I was sorely tempted to comment about this myself, but then I noticed that it was already 9-10 days old.  That said, though, I have the body of what I had thought to write.  If anyone thinks it's of any use, please let me know.  It may even be useful as YMMV material on the trope page itself.

Hrm.  I don't normally skulk around here, but given that I'm one of a few Japanophiles in Bob's usual haunt who's actually been in Japan for an extended period of time, I feel I'm pretty well qualified to supply some useful feedback.

Part of the issue here is that "Yamato Nadeshiko" is, in and of itself, a distinctly Japanese trope without any real counterpart in any other culture.  That is, a very kind, gentle, docile young woman who is not only physically attractive on just about every level, but also very erudite and well educated.  She is also extremely proficient in domestic affairs such as cleaning, cooking, and balancing the household budget.

In short, she is the Japanese version of A Perfect Woman.  However, here the waters are muddied in that other cultures have different ideas about what makes A Perfect Woman.

The closest thing we get to that in American culture is "The Girl Next Door", but that lacks some of the implications that the Yamato Nadeshiko has.  For example, The Girl Next Door can be extremely lively and rambunctious, and nowhere nearly as well educated.  The only real requirements is that she is extremely physically attractive ("Hellloooooooo NURSE!") and suitably personable.  The Yamato Nadeshiko, on the other hand, is (again) a docile personality not given to the rambunctious hi-jinks The Girl Next Door might exhibit.

My advice?  Take a chill pill, do some research, and if you still feel that a change is needed, *then* come at this again, only a little less profane and with some actual solid reasons for it.  As has been mentioned by Bob, very rarely is a title for a trope what one might expect without suitable context.

Believe me, if such a thing were possible, then this world we live in would be a lot less confusing.  Unfortunately, though, we have to work with what we got.

Beautifully put and well reasoned.

[Bob Schroeck]

What Geth said. And yes, let's not discard that, we can save it for use somewhere. Now that I think of it, let's put it on the Analysis page for the trope.

As for Burnator, it seems he's retreated from that topic and isn't going to try to answer. As I noted earlier in this thread, it looks like it was entirely a case of "'grr speak english!' reactionary crap" and he didn't have anything past that.

[robkelk]

I know this is a trope, but which trope?

Lily Galveston (after being called on her behaviour by Chise): Princess, I think you should choose your friends with more care.
Princess: But I thought of you as a friend. Are you saying I should reconsider?

[robkelk]

Getting a bunch of protesters demonstrating at Parliament Hill today - truckers who don't want to get their shots but still want to be allowed to cross the border (so they're complaining to us instead of to Washington), with the accretion of the expected anti-vaxxers - a friend who's actually seen the convoy says it looks like ten pickups for every one commercial truck.

He also called it the "Flu Trux Klan", which I think is apropos; choices have consequences, and these folks don't like the consequences of their choices so they want to be placed above the law.

This protest is continuing.

After keeping people awake all hours of the night every night last week, the protest's organizers offered to have the protesters stop honking their trucks' horns between 9am and 1pm today. Honking resumed at 10am -- which shows how little control the protest's organizers actually have.

Thus, the city is now in a state of emergency. And police will be preventing fuel and food from reaching the protesters.

The city's big winter festival, which was supposed to get thousands of people out of their homes and into the fresh air, is now online only. Mind you, that was going to happen this year anyway, but it's one more straw on the camel's back.

Well, at least Stephen Colbert apologized to Canada about this, so things aren't completely bad... but, yeah, I had to look south of the border to get a chuckle out of the situation.

The entire province is now under a state of emergency, because a second truck-blockade went up at the busiest border crossing with the USA and Joe Biden took notice. (Further discussion about the latter part of that belongs in Politics.)

We'll see what happens this weekend.

Injunctions are being flouted.

Since I am now sufficiently pissed off that I do not trust my own judgment, I am stepping back from my mod role for the immediate future in order to protect the wiki.

I've had most of a week to calm down, and the mass arrests currently (when) underway have done wonders for my disposition.

So I'm back.


So... "Best Known for the Fanservice/Myths and Legends" needs an image. I was tempted to go with Saint Mary Magdalen with Saint John the Baptist and an Angel, but is she showing too much at her hem line?

[GethN7]

So... "Best Known for the Fanservice/Myths and Legends" needs an image. I was tempted to go with Saint Mary Magdalen with Saint John the Baptist and an Angel, but is she showing too much at her hem line?

You could always invoke the "it's classical art, not porn" loophole and use it unedited.

[robkelk]

So... "Best Known for the Fanservice/Myths and Legends" needs an image. I was tempted to go with Saint Mary Magdalen with Saint John the Baptist and an Angel, but is she showing too much at her hem line?

You could always invoke the "it's classical art, not porn" loophole and use it unedited.

Sounds good Thanks.

[robkelk]

I've made another request to run a mass-replace job.

[Bob Schroeck]

Guys, we need to set up some kind of regular rotation to work the Moderation queue. I've said this before, and it's still true. I just took a look at it, and there is stuff in there that is ten days old. We promised to get stuff in and out in 24-48 hours, and we're not keeping that promise.

[GethN7]

Guys, we need to set up some kind of regular rotation to work the Moderation queue.  I've said this before, and it's still true.  I just took a look at it, and there is stuff in there that is ten days old.  We promised to get stuff in and out in 24-48 hours, and we're not keeping that promise.

I had no idea this was such an issue, I'm game for any system that would be workable to address this.

At any rate, barring exceptional circumstances, I should be able to guarantee checking the queue at least once a day.

Also, rejected all of Burnator's edts, they were all blatant theft, one you guys can handle him if you like.

Cleaned out the rest of the queue, the rest looked legit and got passes except for Exploring Editor, they ripped off the TVT Aventures of Sonic the Hedgehog Character page. Also Wimythechild had hideous grammar, rejected on those grounds.

[Bob Schroeck]

Thanks, Geth. I'm going to try to be dedicated about checking at least once a day, too, but there I times I find I've overlooked it for days at a time.

I think if we each just took a day in turn and handled everything that comes in that day it should be enough. The question is keeping people reminded when it's their day (it'd be so much easier if there were seven of us <grin>).

When you say Burnator's edits were theft, I'm presuming you mean TVT plagiarism as usual. I'm thinking we've hit a limit on the crap we should take from him, but I'll review his history just to be sure.