All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXVIII

[robkelk]

Can I please get second opinions on this edit in the Moderation Queue?  There's nothing big that automatically merits a rejection, but it has a lot of little things -- some HTML code inserted (or even replacing wiki markup), a lot of examples just inserted wherever in their relevant sections instead of at the ends... nothing that by itself would automatically earn a rejection but... does the combination qualify?

Thanks.

Ouch.

It looks like the edits were made in Microsoft Word, considering the last new link on the page.

At the very least, we need to ask that troper to read the Style Guide.

I'd say "too much work needed to bring the page back into accordance with the Style Guide" and reject with the usual message.

Guys, I just came across another edit by a different user with the same kind of HTML inserts -- could we be looking at another thing related to the MediaWiki 1.40, like the visual editor issue Bauerbach reported on my talk page? It's a bit of a coincidence for two unrelated users to suddenly start showing the same strange issue.

There's another possibility: Microsoft Office Word Add-in For MediaWiki -- current version 1.0.0, published 27/10/2010.

MS Office tends to produce bloated documents with just this sort of markup.

We may have to classify this add-in as software that breaks the wiki...

[Bob Schroeck]

Oh dear god, I had no idea such an abomination existed.

[GethN7]

Oh dear god, I had no idea such an abomination existed.

LibreOffice has a MediaWiki converter too, but unlike Microsoft it doesn't produce garbage extra markup

[robkelk]

I have been plugging away at cleaning up the Discworld pages, the way that Bob cleaned up the Harry Potter pages.

I have just finished the job. Except for throwing away the redirects, which I don't see any urgent requirement to do...

[robkelk]

I'm inclined to reject this pending edit on the grounds that we don't censor for prurience. Am I right to do so?

EDIT: I see that Bob beat me to it.

[Bob Schroeck]

There wasn't anything prurient in the material he tried to cut -- it just mentioned the existence of vore porn and furry fandom. It was an attempt to censor something he apparently didn't approve of, pure and simple. I smacked him on the nose when I rejected the edit.

[GethN7]

Had an idea for a new trope, but I figure TV Tropes take on it is too circumscribed. They have trope called "Man of the City", basically for someone who, despite everything, gives their all to make their city a better place, no matter how bad off it is. Thing is, that strikes me as too narrow (this can apply to towns of any size, not just cities) and too broad (any superhero could qualify).

I was thinking we could have a variant called "Community Pillar". Basically, someone who, in their private and public life, always try to make wherever they live a better place.

Bruce Wayne as both his public identity and as Batman tries to do this for Gotham. In the Yakuza/Like A Dragon series, Kazuma Kiryu and successor protagonist Ichiban Kasuga, even back when they were in the yakuza, they always tried to do what was best for where they lived, and regardless what aliases or situations they found themselves in, they try to serve the community.

I was thinking to avoid the issues of the TV Tropes take, our version would apply to wherever the subject of the trope finds themselves, and they have to do so regardless of the public or private persona, either way they must be a net positive to their community and provide it a vital service.

[Bob Schroeck]

I like it. Give me a day or two and I'll probably have a few examples.

Meanwhile, I got a response from CherryBees about their mangled edit with the HTML in it. They claim it has nothing to do with Word and that they entered their change directly into the edit window by hand. Which means it might be something in MediaWiki proper.

[robkelk]

I like it.  Give me a day or two and I'll probably have a few examples.

Meanwhile, I got a response from CherryBees about their mangled edit with the HTML in it.  They claim it has nothing to do with Word and that they entered their change directly into the edit window by hand.  Which means it might be something in MediaWiki proper.

They went through and removed the spaces between the bullet points and the text on every single line with a bullet point? I could just barely see that, especially if somebody had come from Wikipedia and had not yet read our Style Guide.

But then they added HTML to only one line? Not seeing that. There's no consistency in the actions.

I can't prove that, and neither can anybody else. Nor can I or anybody else disprove it. So I'll have to settle for being distrustful.

[robkelk]

Well, I've gone as far as I can in cleaning up "Crossover Ship/Image Links". There's still a couple-dozen or so images where whoever added them thought "of course everybody knows who John is, so I don't need to provide his family name or the work he's from". Substitute various characters' names for "John" there.

Here's the list. If anybody recognizes who any of the unidentified characters are, please update the page.

In some cases, I could definitely say who the character isn't... (For example, "Rose" is not the Doctor's companion.)

[Bob Schroeck]

I just identified one with a random, shot-in-the-dark Google search. Dunno if I'll have that kind of luck again, but I'll try.

EDIT: I did. Got the unidentified list down to five entries, one of which is that huge panoply of couples; I also identified one each of some of the remaining pairs. And I identified one pair, but they're both from the same game so not a crossover? (Left a refnote about that one.)

[robkelk]

Thanks, Bob.

And that huge panoply is from the same game as the couple that you footnoted - we might be able to get away with moving them both to the same Shipping image page that isn't this particular page. That would leave three entries to be identified here.

[robkelk]

Ogleguy2000's edit to "Seasonal Rot" has been sitting in the Moderation queue for over a week. I assume we aren't going to approve it after this long. what reason are we giving to reject it?

[Bob Schroeck]

That's on me. It's the HTML markup somehow inserted, among other things. The same thing CherryWhatsit's edit was rejected for a few days ago.

EDIT: Taken care of now.

[Bob Schroeck]

Okay, I'm thinking that we have a serious problem -- HeneryVII just made an edit that ended up with HTML blockquote markup inserted into {{quote}} marked-up text. He realized what happened and tried to fix it, but didn't get it all (I just fixed it).

That's three users so far, including one who doesn't make that kind of mistake, whose edits have had stray HTML added to them. This is not a user issue, this is something in the new MediaWiki.

[robkelk]

Have you filed a Phabricator report?

[Bob Schroeck]

Not yet... I'm waiting to see if we get another data point. Even though three times is enemy action.

[GethN7]

Not yet... I'm waiting to see if we get another data point.  Even though three times is enemy action.

If this issue is occurring in source editing mode, then it's likely a bug that slipped into the core MW software. None of our extensions, by design, alter the stock MediaWiki editing parser, that is controlled by the core MW code. Our extensions just add features atop it, so we can rule out those. What the issue likely is caused by is an error in the source parser's HTML transformation for client side. Meaning, while it's rendered as HTML on the backend (as seen in inspect element on a browser), the END user (who reads the page) should only see regular text except where the HTML markup is explicitly shown on purpose. If we are seeing it where it's not intended to be shown, the core parser has an issue.

You'd be better served filing a report with the core MW developers or see if one is already reported and add confirmation if so.

Note: Miraheze automatically keeps track of the official recommended upgrade path for MW (we are on 1.40.1 currently). Since this did not occur prior and we have had no changes to any existing extensions or config setting and this was noticed only after switching to 1.40, it has to be a parser issue in the core software.

[robkelk]

Folks with moderation rights, I need opinions.

Looking at Discrown2's edits, both pending and rejected, do we have a single-issue troll here?

[GethN7]

Folks with moderation rights, I need opinions.

Looking at Discrown2's edits, both pending and rejected, do we have a single-issue troll here?

Unfunny vandal. He should be told to cut it out or be frogmarched out.

[Bob Schroeck]

Folks with moderation rights, I need opinions.

Looking at Discrown2's edits, both pending and rejected, do we have a single-issue troll here?

Unfunny vandal. He should be told to cut it out or be frogmarched out.

Belated agreement. (I apologize for the delay; my weekend was... not the best.)

And there's something familiar about his edits; I wonder if we haven't seen him attacking these pages before, possibly under a different name. When I get a chance I'll need to search the rejected log.

[Bob Schroeck]

Something seems to have happened to our link to Wikimedia Commons just before noon, and we no longer can connect to their images. I first noticed it with the file CIopening.jpg on Law & Order: Criminal Intent, but I checked a few other pages with Wikimedia images and they were all now redlinks. I went to Wikimedia Commons and confirmed that the CIopening.jpg was there and visible. So... what's up?

[robkelk]

I'm not having any problem loading images from Commons. However, the entire wiki is slightly slow at the moment (at least on my freshly-upgraded copy of Windows) so there might be a timeout issue somewhere.

EDIT: Now I'm seeing some intermittent issues. I suspect the issue is network-based, maybe.

[Bob Schroeck]

I'm still getting it. Maybe it's something on the route(s) between me and their servers that isn't happening on whatever paths serve you.

EDIT: If that's the case, though, then why can I see them when I go right to Commons? I'm confused.

[Bob Schroeck]

I'm still getting it. Maybe it's something on the route(s) between me and their servers that isn't happening on whatever paths serve you.

EDIT: If that's the case, though, then why can I see them when I go right to Commons? I'm confused.

It's happening for me on the "My Apartment Manager..." wiki as well.