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repost of gazeteer article
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I guess the gazette thread was the wrong place to look for responses to my various concepts. I really did want a sort of up-or-down vote of confidence on my ideas there.
Anyway, here's a repost:
THE BLAKES
What do Blakes believe in? Freedom. A laudable goal, for sure, but they also believe that blowing things up, in disrupting life for the average Fen is a reasonable tactic in gaining this "freedom." Who are they trying to be free from? Everyone.
Call them anarchists. Call them nihilists. Call them libertarians, or socialists; terrorists or madmen. In the wake of the destruction of Boskonianism, there was a gap in general mayhem in Fenspace and the Blakes were all too eager to fill in that gap.
Started as a group that opposed the Federation's growing power in Fenspace, the Blakes staged daring prison breaks, destroyed power stations, disrupted trade and travel. They soon broke up into many competing factions, eager to fight each other as their supposed oppresors. Some of the many, many factions of Blakes include the Real Blakes, True Blakes, Continuity Blakes, The Avon Brigade, and the Blakes 700.

THE BLACK MONOLITHS
There's a rumor in the Jovian system, a rumor born from a half-glimpsed nothing where a star should be, a rumor that's spread in Browncoat watering holes and transit stations when all that're left in the bar are the last holdout drunks, stringing together half-remembered tall tales from other bars and that one moment of strange terror when they perhaps were at the edge of the mystery. And it comes down from parent to child as a warning, an admonition to do right.
And the rumor is this: that in a useless moon are a strange cult of fens who truly left behind their bodies to go AI; AIs shaped like Black Monoliths. That in their caves of dust and ice, they plot the future of human evolution, testing it and shaping it with perverse bioreactors and kidnapped victims who were reduced to component chemicals and reshaped in the Black Monoliths image of potential superhumanity or into slaves or just kept as puddles.
And mothers say to their children, "Be careful or the Black Monoliths will get you."

BALEY SECURITY SERVICE
Now there's a lot of good to be said about the B-Men, and it's all true. They won't let anything stop them from getting to the truth, from getting their man. And they'll follow due process, chain of evidence; anything and everything to let everyone know that when they've pinched someone, it's the real deal. And they also respect human rights. Now, some security services, they'll do everything for their bosses. The B-Men know how to do their jobs without being monsters. They're professionals and they don't let things like anger, expedience, or just the righteous feeling of giving a bugger a toe in get in the way of doing the job. Catching the bad guy. Protecting their clients. Upholding the law. Whatever it is that they're there for, they'll do it. Their way. The Right Way.
And there's a lot of bad to be said about the BS, and it's all true, too. Arrogant? Oh, yeah. Superior? If they stuck their noses further up, they'd break their necks and a good thing, too. And they're willing to work for anybody. A 'Danecrat trying to steal all the unreal estate or freestate, claiming the moon and the asteroids and the stars as theirs? Oh, the BS'll work for 'em, and gladly. A little tinpot, madman would-be dictator that's just taken over his asteroid/space station/planet and wants to rule it with an iron grip? BS'll work for that nutter, too, saying please and thank you all the way to the bank. A Robber Baron Industrialist decides that all those pesky worker rights are getting in the way of maximum profit? The BS'll come a running to bust up that undemocratic union. Oh they may not break any bones doing it, won't hold the leaders in jail for too long, but they'll do it and cash the blood money with a whistle on their lips and a spring in their step.
And that's Baley Security Service for you.

SLANS
The Slans started off as your average Fens, really. Maybe a bit self-absorbed and melodramatic, but basically alright. Then they all, and there were only a few of them in the beginning, not as much as there are now, who took the same batch of 'wavium with the same wish: to become Slans.
And they got it.
They got the enhanced physiology, the waving tendrils, and even a form of telepathy. It's really just integrated biological FTL-comms, but they can talk to each other over long distances, and even with anything else with FTL-comms all without having to pay a service carrier.
So naturally this makes feel superior. And you know what, having a bunch of smug so-and-sos around wouldn't have been that bad if they weren't also the most whiny, supercilious jerks with overinflated martyr complexes in all of Fenspace. Basically because nobody thinks they're as great as they do, they feel persecuted. And they tell everybody that they're persecuted loudly and in as grating a manner as possible.
Maybe there's a nice, well-adjusted Slan out there somewhere. But nobody's found him yet.

THE QUATERMASS INSTITUTE
While the rest of fendom gleefully go out into space like intoxicated five year olds in a playground filled with broken bottles, the Quatermass Instute grimly watch the indifferent depths of space for signs of the inevitable alien invasion. While the Federation and the Republic talk about how first contact will herald a true galactic awakening in humanity, Quartermass is far more skeptical, thinking it more likely that the alien hordes are waiting to dupe the young and the hippies into going stupidly and gleefully to their own deaths as food for the aliens.
Depending solely on hardtech, as they believe that handwavium may be a plot by the unseen aliens to weaken humanity as a prelude to their inevitable genocidal feast, Quatermass stands ready and vigilant to defend humanity at any and all costs. Dismissed by much of fendom as paranoid doomsday fanatics, it is rumored that Quatermass has a storehouse of nuclear weapons, mass drivers, railguns and kinetic missiles standing by to repel any alien invasion, even if it means destroying 99.9% of humanity and the planets to do it.

THE AEUG
The Anti-Earth Union Group is simply a coalition of various fens who resent any encroachment of 'danes into fenspace. The reason why they went to space in the first place was to get away from them, and now that they're trying to wrest control from the fens, from those that truly tamed space, and take all the rewards and impose rules and regulations that have no basis on life in fenspace . . . well! The AEUG won't stand for it, that's all.
But it's not like they're Blakes or anything. Goodness, no. They're peaceful fens who'll fight with peaceful means. Protests, letter campaigns, "legal" action on Earth. Any and all of that. And, no, there are no secret fleets massing in the Asteroid Belt. And the idea that there's an army of mecha being built on the Moon is just plain ridiculous. And these aren't uniforms, man! It's just fashionable to have epaulettes on your red space suit these days. And so what if I am wearing sunglasses indoors?

METROPOLIS
The fabled AI-city/station, it's a city run by AIs and for, for the most part, AIs to come and feel at home. With docking ports of all sizes for ship-borne AIs to maintenance shops and manufactories to repair and upgrade androids and gynoids. Begun when some handwavium interacted with an already-existing satellite and a car factory turned spaceship, that was the birth of Metropolis. Hanging in the asteroid belt, it's a home away from home for many in the AI community and for their human friends as well. Metropolis is not just some hunk of unfeeling metal but a place where people and AI can interact on many different levels. Filled with parks as well as a beautiful modernist cityscape, Metropolis has its own native population of AIs and humans, who live in the peaceful community of Alphaville.
Metropolis is home to Harbou Ship-builders, makers of the Friede line of interplanetary ships, and also to Maria Rossum's Universal Robots Corporation, building industrial robots and AIs to meet any needs.
-murmur the fallen
You'll note that I kept these ideas as fan-based as possible
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Re: repost of gazeteer article
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I guess the gazette thread was the wrong place to look for responses to my various concepts. I really did want a sort of up-or-down vote of confidence on my ideas there.
Ah, yeah. We tend to try and keep the stickies free of debate. Doesn't always work, but...
Anyway.
THE BLAKES: Interesting concept, sort of a Judean People's Front (etc.) with a better grasp of tactics.
THE MONOLITHS: Now that's a nice, spooky rumor.
BAILEY SECURITY: Mmm, Pinkertons in Space. I hate them already, and am looking forward to storylines where slapping them around oh-so-politely gets some screentime.
SLANS: Are made of win. The one suggestion I'd make is to switch the internal comms from FTL to plain old 802.11 wireless. It cuts down on their "telepathy" range, but that's just another thing for them to be emo about. ^_^
QUATERMASS: Interesting concept, though if they're that handwavium-adverse they're going to be pretty strictly Earthbound.
AEUG: Pay no attention to that Zeon in the corner...
METROPOLIS: This one feels a little too... developed to work in the early Fenspace. The idea of an AI city is cool, but there's not that many AIs out there just yet. This is definately one I'd shelve for a 2gen project. Maybe have it show up in small-town form - just the mobile car factory with a few new "residents" - during the Boskone arc.---
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Re: repost of gazeteer article
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My suggestion would be to have quartermass tring to turn the tools of the enemy into their own. distrustiong biomods and controlled and monitored handwavium sure, but without the wave they are just another 'dane fringe group.
I agree metropolis is too advanced even though I like the idea.
Don't know about slans but they seem to amuse other people and I don't have a problem with them.
I feel oddly compleed to write a short piee of the undoubtable epic between Bailey Sec and the Proffessor. I imagine the results to be somewhere along the line of attempting to arrest the lovely angels.
E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?"
B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
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BAILEY SECURITY: Mmm, Pinkertons in Space. I hate them already, and am looking forward to storylines where slapping them around oh-so-politely gets some screentime.
Hmmmmm... Considering the source of the name, all the "cop buddy movie" tropes, and the background of my collection of characters...
Plotbunny: Someone is murdered on Stellvia. A Bailey is called in by the victim's family to investigate. The station's security officer, R. Yoriko Nikaido, also investigates. Circumstances require them to team up. Mayhem ensues.

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My suggestion would be to have quartermass tring to turn the tools of the enemy into their own. distrustiong biomods and controlled and monitored handwavium sure, but without the wave they are just another 'dane fringe group.
[Reading the Commissar's comments and this about Quatermass [only one R in Quatermass, by the by. It's a VERY easy mistake to make] only strengthens my conviction that this group would only really use Hardtech. However, they would use hardtech derived from scientific breakthroughs made by handwavium. They may have gotten into fenspace using handwavium, but they stayed almost exclusively with hardtech. That's why they stay mostly in the Earth-Luan system, and use telescopes and communications intercepts to watch the rest of the system.]
I agree metropolis is too advanced even though I like the idea.
[Really? Aww. C'mon! There're lots of AIs running around. Heck, the Island is run by two of them. Wouldn't want to have a place to just kick back, relax, and really let their freak flag fly? In the beginning, it should be little more than a large flat hunk of rock with a dome over it and three skyscrapers and a factory of two, but it should soon be METROPOLIS if only because AIs build fast and don't stop.]
Don't know about slans but they seem to amuse other people and I don't have a problem with them.
I feel oddly compleed to write a short piee of the undoubtable epic between Bailey Sec and the Proffessor. I imagine the results to be somewhere along the line of attempting to arrest the lovely angels.

[Though I know this wasn't your point: once again, Baley Security does not, repeat NOT, employ any scantily-clad women with a propensity for mega-damage and giant cats.]
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BAILEY SECURITY: Mmm, Pinkertons in Space. I hate them already, and am looking forward to storylines where slapping them around oh-so-politely gets some screentime.
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Hmmmmm... Considering the source of the name, all the "cop buddy movie" tropes, and the background of my collection of characters...
Plotbunny: Someone is murdered on Stellvia. A Bailey is called in by the victim's family to investigate. The station's security officer, R. Yoriko Nikaido, also investigates. Circumstances require them to team up. Mayhem ensues.

[That's a friggin' great idea. Although it still boggles the mind that someone would make a robot Yoriko. Inspector Kinoshita (you know, the tough female inspector that was in the tv series and the movie) would be really awesome as a robot.]
-murmur
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That's a friggin' great idea. Although it still boggles the mind that someone would make a robot Yoriko. Inspector Kinoshita (you know, the tough female inspector that was in the tv series and the movie) would be really awesome as a robot.
Well... Handwavium is still at the "quirked results" stage. All of the Stellvia robots share a few things in common: they're cute female anime characters who wear glasses. Inspector Kinoshita is neither cute nor a meganekko...
(Edit: Sorry, I shouldn't use technical terms without defining them first. Meganekko)
Besides, Noah likes Yoriko-the-character...
(Edit again: On the off-chance there's somebody out there who doesn't recognize one or more of Noah's "Angels", here are links to their writeups: Yoriko, Sora, Kohran, and Yayoi.)

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[Though I know this wasn't your point: once again, Baley Security does not, repeat NOT, employ any scantily-clad women with a propensity for mega-damage and giant cats.]

You misunderstand. I said it was like trying to arrest the lovely angels in that between the Professor and the androids there would be plenty of colateral damage.
I have been thinking about writing a bit set durning the Profs Reing of Terror when he was still on earth... I could see Catty cosplaying as one of the lovely angels and convince Ryoko to be the other one (They certainly caused enough colateral damage). I just need to figure out what happened to the Moughi since the Professor would be asked to make one. Also I want it to look like Moughi but not be Moughi, far to many handwavium creations mirror the source material too closely. Any suggestions?
E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?"
B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
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Any suggestions?
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My housecat fell into a processing vat of 'wavium?
A shag rug fell into a processing vat of 'wavium?

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hallo
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You misunderstand. I said it was like trying to arrest the lovely angels in that between the Professor and the androids there would be plenty of colateral damage.
[Oh, i realize that. just reiterating the point that the baleys are not the wwwa. really, it had nothing to do with your comment about the prof. and the baleys.
[Hmm, come to that: Novel Dirty Pair, TV/OAV Dirty Pair, Flash, or Adam Warren? who ya got?]
[Oh! Some more ideas:
Sector General: from James White's Sector General series.
A space station that has become the premiere hospital in space, using cutting edge hardtech and trained wavium healers (not sure if i like that term, but i'll use it for now) who compensate for the quirks. Able to make many different kinds of environments to accomodate any biomod. affiliated with the federation and the republic, but open to any and all. all services free, donations appreciated.

Araminta Coalition: From Jack Vance.
Funnily enough, i never actually finished reading araminta station.
anyway, a group of eco-minded fens who believe that terraforming is a form of environmental destruction, entirely anthropocentric and not in keeping with an ecologically-diverse way of being in the universe. just exporting the same old earth mistakes to the far universe.
a real argument, by the way, held by many. look up on ethics of terraforming on wikipedia.

Finders: from Carla Speed McNeil's superlative Finder comic series.
Trackers, scouts and detectives, identified by their distinctive tattoos found somewhere on their bodies. Can be a part of any group. Linked in function, if not in method or hierarchy, with the Fivers' rangers, and there are some overlap in personnell as well.

-murmur
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Sector General: from James White's Sector General series.
A space station that has become the premiere hospital in space, using cutting edge hardtech and trained wavium healers (not sure if i like that term, but i'll use it for now) who compensate for the quirks. Able to make many different kinds of environments to accomodate any biomod. affiliated with the federation and the republic, but open to any and all. all services free, donations appreciated.
If I may...
Substantial seed funding and occasional engineering support provided by a SMOF who wants to remain anonymous (in order to perserve his reputation as a "mercenary bastard" ) There is regular shuttle service between Sector General and Earth, and between Sector General and Mars.
Rumours of a biomodded inscetile empath being on the medical staff are routinely denied. Rumours of a biomodded elephant being on the pathology staff are routinely met with silence...

-Rob Kelk
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them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
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from the character thread
#37
Hannan Wu
Open character created by Murmur the Fallen
appearance:
*5'2", hundred and ten or so, black hair, brown eyes.
Mundame Attributes:
*Living on the edge: Is not truly a part of fen-culture, as she most enjoys Love & Rockets, googie architecture, the works of Cordwainer Smith, and New German Cinema, but never actually talks about them.
*Boom-Boom-Boom: Is a premiere weaponeer, coming up with hardtech weapons from many different sources, mostly hardtech, but also 'wavium tech.
*With friends like these: Known to make deals with anyone that wants a weapon design, from zwilnicks to 'danestates but always keeps her side of the deal.
Handwavium Ability:
*Dental Hygiene: No longer needs to brush or floss and mouth always smells minty fresh. White, straight, and heals.
Quirks:
*Out-there: Seems spacy and even out to lunch, but really is just disinterested and disengaged but too polite to leave.
*Like a Mouse: Doesn't talk about herself much and always speaks in low, calm, even, polite tones.
*You like me, you really like me: Respected by the engineers and scientists of the 'fen community, and is close to (if Acyl agrees) Gwen Lee.
*Sanguine: Utterly disinterested in the consequences of her weapons, or even of general weapons proliferation, whether it be a decrease in crime or an increase in genocide. Characterized by the sign outside her front door, "I Am Become Death, And I Don't Care."
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Metropolis revised
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THE METROPOLIS PROJECT
The Metropolis Project is a long-term plan to create an essentially AI homeland. Built around the large industrial complex on 74 Galatea, currently named Alphaville, which is being used as home base of a waved car-factory, communications satellite and oil tanker. Funded by and the brainchild of three Fen industrial concerns, it is hoped that with the building of Metropolis, the AIs of Fenspace will be integrated into greater fendom and walk hand in hand with to a finer future.
The Metropolis Project is currently projected as being completed in the next fifteen years, with additional material being added by nearby asteroids. The plan is for Metropolis to cater to all types of AIs, from those existing wholly in the real world as robots, to purely virtual intelligences, and everything in between. From vast computing arrays to idyllic parklands and beautiful architecture. There are also plans for docking bays of all types to accomodate AI ships. Alphaville is currently being converted into a human community that will be interacting with the larger Metropolis community.
The three concerns spearheading Metropolis are: Helius Rocketworks and Olaf Paperclip; Universal Robots and Maria Rossum; and the Modern State Planning Commission and John Raven, who, as one of the premiere architectural firms of fenspace as well as a political think-tank, are in control of the design elements of Metropolis.
[sources: Metropolis, of course, from Fritz Lang's Metropolis. Jean-Luc Godard's film Alphaville. 74 Galatea a real asteroid. Helius is the hero of Fritz Lang/Thea von Harbou's Der Frau im Mond. Olaf Paperclip from Olaf Stapledon and Operation Paperclip. Universal Robots from Carel Kapek's RUR, as is Rossum. Maria from Metropolis. Modern State and John Raven from HG Wells' The Shape of Things to Come.]
-murmur
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Substantial seed funding and occasional engineering support provided by a SMOF who wants to remain anonymous (in order to perserve his reputation as a "mercenary bastard"


I don't see the problem with preserving such a reputation. He's obviously setting himself up with a private room, full medical coverage, and possibly other services to be avalible to him at need.
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Oh, obviously... And I'll have to remember to put that into a story sometime. (But not just yet...)

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response and miranda
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When I do a full work-up on Sector General, I'll go more into seed-funding on the non-profit hospital in space (i think that in an optimistic future, health care is free), though if anyone wants to get in on that they'll have to do more than make allusions to their characters.
Also: the uranian moon Miranda made into the Krell Great Machine and handwavium manufactory?
-murmur
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Also: the uranian moon Miranda made into the Krell Great Machine and handwavium manufactory?
Isn't Miranda where the Reavers came from?
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kinda - 'Miranda' was the activation code for River's hidden assasin-buma programming.Wire Geek - Burning the weak and trampling the dead since 1979Wire Geek - Burning the weak and trampling the dead since 1979
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THE METROPOLIS PROJECT
Is there some reason why there are two entries for this in the Gazetteer? Especially when many people, including the moderator, said that it's too advanced for current Fenspace?
Murmur, please re-read The Rules sticky. Especially Rule #0b:
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Since this is a collaborative writing project, no one writer can hog all the Good Stuff without upsetting the other writers. Don't step on anyone else's toes - don't consume too much Cool at once, don't try to be better than the already-established "best in Fenspace" at something, and talk with people before you do things that No One Else Can Do.
Your ideas aren't bad, and most of them fit in nicely... but when you fire off so many of them at once, then ignore what everyone else is saying about the ones that don't fit in, well... I think you're coming dangerously close to stepping on everyone else's toes.
At the very least, would you please edit your Gazetteer posts to remove the duplicate entry? I don't care which one gets axed and which one gets the data from the axed one, but there really shouldn't be two entries about the same topic in the Gazetteer. That leads to confusion.
(Edit to link directly to The Rules)

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Is there some reason why there are two entries for this in the Gazetteer? Especially when many people, including the moderator, said that it's too advanced for current Fenspace?
Just to be clear, the original Metropolis idea was the one too advanced for the current status quo. The revised "Metropolis Project" version is much more in line with the consensus.
That said, Murmur: Edit one or the other of your posts, don't care which, just kill the redundancy.---
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Thanks, Fnord; I had missed seeing the fixes in the newer entry.
Murmur, I apologize for coming down so hard in my last post here. (Can I plead "tired and not thinking quite straight"?) I was out of line; there were more polite ways I could have said what I said.

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nah, it's not a problem. and you're right about a lot of it, i have been just pushing out a lot of ideas.
not that i'm going to stop . . . but i should probably develope these better and think of the collaborative nature of things more.
consider me . . . not chastened, what's the opposite of chastened . . .
-murmur
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kinda - 'Miranda' was the activation code for River's hidden assasin-buma programming.
Go rent the movie Serenity. Which was the Final Chapter of Firefly, when the Sindics canceled the show.
Miranda was a planet that the Alliance decided to experiment on. What theAlliance did was add a drug/agent, called the Pax, to Terraforming plants to disseminate it throug the Atmosphere. What the Pax was supposed to do was make people peaceful and obedient. The Pax made the people of Miranda so peaceful that 99.9% of the Population peacefully laid down and went to sleep ... permantly. The remaining tenth of a percent of the population went insanely hyper-agressive to the point that they didn't go to sleep ever, and became what was then called Reavers.
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I sit corrected. I own a copy of Serenity - I just think it sucked, so I haven't watched it more than 2 or 3 times.Wire Geek - Burning the weak and trampling the dead since 1979Wire Geek - Burning the weak and trampling the dead since 1979
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I own a copy of Serenity - I just think it sucked, so I haven't watched it more than 2 or 3 times.
It did suck but it had it's good points.
I did like the bit near the end when the Reavers showed up
behind the Serenity, just before the Allaince fleet opened fire.
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