[RFC] [R to the E to the T to the C-O-N] Rebuild of Soviet Air Force
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[RFC] [R to the E to the T to the C-O-N] Rebuild of Soviet Air Force
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Ben got off lightly, I think.
-- "You know how parents tell you everything's going to fine, but you know they're lying to make you feel better? Everything's going to be fine." - The Doctor
It's probably more on the order of... doing it once without knowledge that she doesn't like the abbreviation anymore (and hasn't in most people's memory) is one thing. Repeating it may cause her to pull out her hair, or use a goober gun.
*BLAP* Okay, I know you're quite possibly some sort of combat monster biomod thingie, so I goobergun'd you... the riot load I prefer is perfectly harmless, but has a neuromuscular blocker integrated into it that will be disabling most of your voluntary muscles until I use the solvent. It's very carefully tailored and waved too, so it's harmless and, even feels pretty nice I'm told. On the other hand. *picks up crowbar, smiles pleasantly and taps against a temple* Don't call me Dee, okay?  Quote:It's probably more on the order of... doing it once without knowledge that she doesn't like the abbreviation anymore (and hasn't in most people's memory) is one thing. Repeating it may cause her to pull out her hair, or use a goober gun. This implies that she was initially okay with that shorthand (which is assuming facts not in evidence at the moment) but isn't after a certain point in time (which one would assume is after Dee the AI is born, if only to avoid confusion between them). Of course, Murphy's luck is such that he'd probobly get goobed reguardless! (assuming that there was ever a reason why a second tier fen like Murph would be working with a SMOF like Diedre anyway) Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky? That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry- NO QUARTER!!! -- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children  Star Ranger4 Wrote:... (assuming that there was ever a reason why a second tier fen like Murph would be working with a SMOF like Diedre anyway)It isn't as if the SMOF are some sort of noble caste of Fen – why wouldn't Murph have worked with Deidre, or Sailor Atalantae, or Wave Convoy, or Kyon? -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
No, it's not even that per se... I just never really liked the abbreviation in the first place. And now that Dee is out and about and probably more quote unquote visible than me, people make assumptions about what they should call me. And after the hundredth time it gets... well, it really kind of grates on your nerves. And sometimes I lose my temper and overreact. Besides, who the hell called me a SMOF? I'm... just not really interested in the politics on how everything is going to shake out you know?
(Cathy) The importance of the SMOFs where at a peak during the war against the Boskones, the Fen were in need of a quick and strong response. Since the war is over, their influence is declining with the increasing number of Fen and independent groups of Fen. But their influence through reputation and social contacts can still be astonishing.
True - nowadays, the most important use of SMOF-ML is as a back-channel between factions that would normally have nothing to do with each other. Everybody on it either is in a position of power or has the ear of somebody in power, and nobody ignores it because we all want to know what other people are saying about our friends.
Or what other people are saying about us. But we're digressing again... -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 
Dragging this topic out of mothballs...
Below is an in-progress rewrite/update for the VVS wiki entry, updated for 2022 so may contain spoilers for some things. Also lots of holes where things need to be filled and/or fixed. Comment @ will. The Sozvezdie Soviet (also known as the Soviet Air Force-In-Exile or VVS) is a minor Fen faction and Federation member founded by the crew of the ex-Soviet Union space shuttle orbiter USSR Ptichka. The faction is based on Luna, with facilities on both near and far sides. Its largest city is the town of Korolevgrad, situated around Korolev Air Force Base on the west rim of Daniell Crater. The Soviets are best known in Fenspace as deep-space explorers and socialist agitators. Soviet expeditions were the first to enter the Tau Ceti, Epsilon Indi, Delta Pavonis and Zeta 1 Reticuli systems. Politically, the Soviets were implicated in the 2014 Project Artemis scandal in the United States. The faction was the first independent group to join a larger faction in 2022 when the Sozvezdie agreed to join the United Federation of Planets as a sovereign nation-state. History Origins The faction began {blrgh} Initial successes In 2011 Ptichka’s crew successfully smuggled three surplus barrels of handwavium to NASA officials at Kennedy Space Center. The handwavium was left over from the Ptichka refit, and was used for the Project Artemis refit of the shuttles Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavour. The Boskone War Post-War Following the end of the Boskone War, the Soviet Air Force began demilitarizing their forces as part of the Alphacon agreement. The major combat ships were mothballed at Gagarin Crater, while their AI cores were transferred to other spacecraft within the VVS. The famous Azu Squadron, coming off their heroic role at the fall of Boskone Prime, were left officially on-duty as part of the Great Justice anti-pirate coast guard patrols. The MARS marine units were also left on-duty with Great Justice and as backup forces for the newly-founded Space Patrol. Immediately following the war, Generalissimo Fnord was involved in the Project Artemis scandal then unfolding in the United States. Congressional investigation discovered the link between NASA’s handwavium project and the VVS, and demanded an explanation. Fnord traveled to Washington and in a bravura performance before Congress, accepted responsibility for the smuggling, denied any further involvement, insulted several of the committee members personally and had the entire VVS placed under persona non grata orders. Discovery of Tannhauser Gate by the 2013 Delta Pavonis expedition fueled a new surge in interstellar exploration. Membership in the Soviet Air Force expanded tenfold over the 2014-15 period, to the point where the original paramilitary structure of the VVS was unable to handle the strain. In 2016 the VVS officially retired the name and rebranded themselves as the Sozvezdie Soviet, along with a major restructuring of their civilian organization. In 2022 the Sozvezdie Soviet officially joined the United Federation of Planets as a member-state, the first minor faction to be absorbed by a major faction. Government/Law The Basic Law of the Sozvezdie Soviet establishes a legislative branch composed of the entire adult population(ref)In practice, this means any sapient being with a functional age of 18 human years or older.(/ref), an elected executive branch to administer the government and an elected judiciary to arbitrate interpretation of the law. The Basic Law also includes a comprehensive declaration of metahuman rights and a few ground rules for governance. The legislature (the eponymous ‘Soviets’) operate on a tightly monitored public forum and a voting system designed and operated by the Ministry of Communications. Every citizen past the age of majority may cast votes when the soviets are in session. Soviet sessions are held weekly except during emergencies, though debate and discussion of issues goes on constantly. The average Soviet will vote on an issue at least twice a week, though these issues will tend to be local events and not large-scale legislature. Day-to-day governance of the Sozvezdie falls to the Central Committee, an elected council which performs the basic executive functions and operates the dozen or so extant Ministries which keep the Sozvezdie functioning. The Committee also acts as a ratifying body for decisions of the soviets; these decisions may be overridden by a 2/3 majority of the entire Sozvezdie. The nominal head of government is the First Secretary, a member of the Committee elected by his or her fellows. When necessary, official head-of-state figurehead functions may be handled by the office of the Generalissimo, which is a lifetime post. Under the Basic Law, elections are held every five years, starting from the reincorporation date of the VVS into the Sozvezdie in 2016(ref)Elections of a more informal nature occurred in the VVS ranks, usually for purposes of promotion, during the 2008-2016 period.(/ref), though the First Minister may dissolve the government and request new elections at any time. All memberships in the Central Committee are up for election, which may cause significant turnover in government. Since joining the Federation, the soviet also votes on and approves the person or persons sent to represent the Sozvezdie at the Federation Council. sidebar: The Sozvezdie government, 2022 Ministry Party Minister First Minister Social Democrat Joseph Lacroix Representative to the Federation Infosocialist Malaclypse Fnord State Internationale War Social Democrat KJ DuPree Communications Social Democrat Josh Brenner Labor and Finance Infosocialist Justice and Equality Social Democrat Joseph Lacroix Science Transhuman Deidre Greist Education Internationale Minerva Weatheral Trade Social Democrat Infrastructure Pirate Culture Infosocialist The Soviet Basic Law follows the Articles of Convention closely, with only a few variations based on local economic policy. Depending on the severity of the crime, trial and punishment may be handled within a soviet, be handed over to another soviet for impartiality purposes or the offender may be extradited to another jurisdiction if the offense happened there. Economics {foo; basic socialist distribution network. Most property & all petty cash is held in trust as a common pool which can be drawn as needed by pretty much everybody. Income comes from intellectual property leases to outside factions (see OV-200 designs to Hephaestus) box office takes from Sandwich Films/MoC documentaries, expedition contracts, etc.} Organization Korolevgrad / Korolev AFB Korolev Air Force Base is the nerve center for Soviet activity on Luna and the home port for most Soviet spacecraft. The base was initially founded in 2010, using the proceeds from the VVS’ first successful contract with the French space agency CNES to build a first-class staging base. Clark Universal Construction was hired to do most of the heavy lifting, while the VVS provided architectural designs. The base is separated into two major parts. The first part is the complex under the Kandor City dome which houses the main meeting areas, bunkhouses, canteen, staff quarters and greenhouse. The second part is the hangar complex which sits outside the dome for obvious reasons and is connected to the interior by a series of long passageways. Korolev Hangar One is the main hangar, and it is one of the more impressive (if less well-known) sights of early Fen construction. Hangar One is a 500 meter diameter cylindrical borehole cut 500 meters into the lunar surface, with 12 large landing pads attached to the sides of the borehole. The pads are arranged in a spiral running from top to bottom, an arrangement which allows all pads clear access to the exit. Hangar One is capped by an opaque dome with entrance and egress doors. The entire facility is pressurized; atmosphere containment fields maintain the internal atmosphere. The town of Korolevgrad is the largest civilian installation in the Sozvezdie. Part of the Kandor City greater metropolitan area, Korolevgrad sprung up around Korolev Air Force Base. The town’s population consists mainly of dependents of Soviet ship crews, non-crew members like film production staff and others. The town soviet is led by mayor Miranda Delgado. sidebar: The Mad Chef The Mad Chef (no other name known nor given) is a European expat of French or English origin who arrived in Korolevgrad in late 2015 and promptly set up a restaurant (also called The Mad Chef) in the middle of town. Apparently the Mad Chef is a master of multiple cuisines, and when taken by a fey mood will immediately junk entire menus in favor of totally different cuisines, sometimes in the middle of a service. On most days The Mad Chef serves modern European cuisine, but the menu can vary from English to Japanese to Sumatran to Ancient Egyptian with very little notice. Sandwich Films (Soviet Film Collective Studio No. 1) {blah the movie studio attached to the VVS/SS, puts out all sorts of stuff usually based on Soviet adventures, does camera work for dirtside studios (usually .au .nz and .eu with the .us lockout) and leases studio space for Fen studios.} Gagaringrad / Gagarin Crater AFB Gagaringrad is a small domed facility on the edge of the Soviet main industrial and military center, Gagarin Crater Air Force Base. Fleet Officially as a Federation member Soviet forces are intended to be subordinate to the Starfleet. However, because the Soviets are a majority ship-based faction with very few large fixed stations or coloniesAs of 2022. There are plans for at least one large colony station at Earth-Luna L2 and interstellar “SSR” bases at Gallifrey, Yggdrasil and Arda pending continued immigration and expansion. Soviet ships have a large degree of autonomy. The original 2013-16 VVS fleet structure continues to be used in-house, dividing the fleet into two subgroups, the Deep Space Exploration Forces (EXFOR) and the Extraterrestrial Combat Command (X-COM). Deep Space Exploration Forces (EXFOR) The largest portion of the Soviet fleet is bound up in the Exploration Forces. {blah EXFOR does planetary data surveys, extraterrestrial missions, deploying and maintaining probe packages, all the grunt work necessary for the scientific conquest of space. Does stuff both for the love of it and to bring in outside currency - contract missions for dirtside space agencies that don’t have launch capability or the budget for decent spacecraft, or just don’t want to bow & scrape to ESA, JAXA or RKA} Extraterrestial Combat Command (X-COM) “What good’s Utopia if the bad guys steal it from you?” - Col. KJ DuPree, X-COM {blah X-COM, military wing of the VVS/SS, they hurt people so you don’t have to. Best known for all the mayhem they pulled off in the Boskone war. Operate the MARS marine units and are not responsible for the care & feeding of Section 9 (wonk)} Relations with other factions Despite their joining with the United Federation of Planets, the Soviets maintain their own diplomatic relations with other factions, as well as independent commitments to the metanational structures of the Convention. The Soviets retain their major shareholder status in the Nikaido Foundation and the Space Patrol, and X-COM’s main duties involve regular operation with Great Justice forces. Relations remain good with the Crystal Millennium, as new Senshi rotate through MARS units on a regular basis. The “special relationship” between the Soviets and Stellvia Corporation has come under strain in recent years, due to the Soviet stance on infosocialism and freedom of information and repeated suggestions that the Stellvia-released copy of the Whole Fenspace Catalog was doctored. Though relations between the two factions haven’t broken down completely, there is a noticeable coolness that wasn’t there a decade before. Soviet relations with mundane space agencies remains strong, though links to JPL were severed by the Artemis scandal. TSAB and the Sozvezdie remain in their blood feud. Future plans The Fleet (2022) Flagship: USSR Ptichka Shuttles: Columbia, Uragan, Buran, Iskra, Groza, Typhoon, Borei, Tsiklon Gagarins: Yuri Gagarin, Laika, Arbitrary, Undocumented Feature, It Was Like That When I Got Here, Rolled A Twenty On The Random Encounter Table, Cultural Imperialism Is Better Than The Other Kind, Just Passing Through ROUs/VFPs: Frank Exchange of Views (or Look! I’m A Ploughshare!), Laugh While You Can Monkey-Boy, Complaint Department, Sincere Exchange of Grievances LOUs: Inappropriate Response, I Blame The Parents, i’ve got a big stick Others: Xenu Express, A Series Of Unlikely Explanations, Grey Area, Just Another Victim Of The Ambient Morality, AZU-00, AZU-01, AZU-02 Fighters: 1 inactive Ga-15 (Hypervelocity Hurt Machine), 14 active Ga-15, 14 inactive F-EZig, 1 Ga-31 Firefox in prototype ..plus assorted flying cars, jetpacks and other such & sundry smallcraft Notes Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!"
Interesting, really interesting... I am curious how the Federation handles their internal processes now they have the second member.
M Fnord Wrote:The average Soviet will vote on an issue at least twice a week, though these issues will tend to be local events and not large-scale legislature.OOC: You might want to re-phrase this one, unless you wanted to imply that a soviet votes on the same issue more than once in the same week. M Fnord Wrote:Representative to the Federation Infosocialist Malaclypse FnordOccasionally called "Federation Ambassador Fnord" by people who (a) don't like him and (b) remember how the original Star Trek portrayed ambassadors, but never where he can hear it. (Well, almost never. Occasionally Noah calls Mal this to his face when in a foul mood about what the "commies" just did.) M Fnord Wrote:EconomicsAnd dividends from Sora's one share of StellviaCorp... which aren't nearly as much as the rumor mill claims. (OOC: Unless the VVS have a principle against holding stock, in which case the Artemis Foundation would have bought the share from them.) M Fnord Wrote:The “special relationship” between the Soviets and Stellvia Corporation has come under strain in recent years, due to the Soviet stance on infosocialism and freedom of information and repeated suggestions that the Stellvia-released copy of the Whole Fenspace Catalog was doctored. Though relations between the two factions haven’t broken down completely, there is a noticeable coolness that wasn’t there a decade before.Many of the issues that would have been resolved face-to-face in the past are now addressed by intermediaries - on occasion, Serenity II has had to mediate between these two factions allied to the Senshi in order to "preserve the peace of the Inner Solar System" (her words, but Sailor Atalante always was prone to the over-dramatic). -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012  M Fnord Wrote:The “special relationship” between the Soviets and Stellvia Corporation has come under strain in recent years, due to the Soviet stance on infosocialism and freedom of information and repeated suggestions that the Stellvia-released copy of the Whole Fenspace Catalog was doctored. Though relations between the two factions haven’t broken down completely, there is a noticeable coolness that wasn’t there a decade before.You know, this would get Ben's attention pretty damn quick. Probably leads to Ben having a conversation where he confronts Noah, demands to know the ToC of what got withheld, and why. He'd be pretty sure Noah's got some good reasons for it, but at the same time he'd also feel that an explanation (to the SMOFs, at least, if no one else) is in order.
Noah's first response:
"So you want to know what I took out of the Catalog, do you? Are you prepared to tell me the Roughriders' 'need to know' secrets? No? Then I'm not prepared to tell you what I'm keeping for my faction's use, either." -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 robkelk Wrote:Many of the issues that would have been resolved face-to-face in the past are now addressed by intermediaries - on occasion, Serenity II has had to mediate between these two factions allied to the Senshi in order to "preserve the peace of the Inner Solar System" (her words, but Sailor Atalante always was prone to the over-dramatic). (Getting some secret history up in this bitch...) The whole thing about doctoring the Catalog didn't get the Reds on the christmas card list, and it led to a lot of awkward questions from SMOFcon but it was, in the end, survivable. What really broke things was entirely personal. Using the Catalog argument as a pretext, Noah asked Sora a question he really, really shouldn't have. Sora told him in no uncertain terms to get stuffed and Noah didn't know how to respond to this woman who wasn't the shy, demure A!MG supporting character he remembered. Unfortunately, he (thought he) knew who to blame. Noah used a lot of words like "brainwashed," "corrupted," and "Patty Hearst" among others at one point and well... the rest is history. Things are very correct and cool when circumstances force them together, but that's about it. As the Soviet government changes things might thaw more, but that remains to be seen. Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!"
"Can't those two at least pretend to be a little more than civil in public?" - Jeph Antilles, after a particularly frosty engagement he was witness to.
-- "You know how parents tell you everything's going to fine, but you know they're lying to make you feel better? Everything's going to be fine." - The Doctor
Ben would simply cite that Noah's not exactly living in the spirit of the Convention, seeing that even though he presented it to the world at large, he certainly couldn't have come up with even half the stuff in there, even with the conerted efforts of the entire Stelvia faction. After all, where was the investment for all the R&D? All that testing? How much jerkass is there in copyrighting something that you didn't really work for?
Noah's comeback to that would be "I nearly died for this. Now, how much jerkass is there in sharing things with people who didn't really work for them?"
-- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
The Mad Chef... Was your use of the phrase "taken by a fey mood" a deliberate Dwarf Fortress shoutout, Mal?
If my character were to witness the conflict brewing between Ben and Noah (not likely, given that he's a Filker and Generalist of little import and definitely not a SMOF, but perhaps there's a SMOF who'd express similar sentiments), he'd point out that there's a difference between claiming intellectual property rights and simply keeping something secret. Along similarly pedantic lines, he'd note that nearly dying in the sequence of events that led to you acquiring something isn't at all the same thing as nearly dying in pursuit of something. Proginoskes Wrote:The Mad Chef... Was your use of the phrase "taken by a fey mood" a deliberate Dwarf Fortress shoutout, Mal? Heh, wondered if anybody would pick up on that. Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" Proginoskes Wrote:If my character were to witness the conflict brewing between Ben and Noah (not likely, given that he's a Filker and Generalist of little import and definitely not a SMOF, but perhaps there's a SMOF who'd express similar sentiments), he'd point out that there's a difference between claiming intellectual property rights and simply keeping something secret. Along similarly pedantic lines, he'd note that nearly dying in the sequence of events that led to you acquiring something isn't at all the same thing as nearly dying in pursuit of something.Yeah - both men are digging in their heels on this one, and (as I just implied in the "Updating the current "now" to 2022" thread) it won't end well for Noah. But let's stop derailing Mal's thread... -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
I know that, is he hears of this, Oscar Vykos would understand than he kept things secret -but he woudl also try to find a way to steal a full copy somehow (and, perharps naively, he would expect Noah to understand that point of view, and probably do anything in his hand to prevent spionage)
Well, dunno exactly how Mal will feel about Ben taking his side in the matter. While Ben's a bit of a capitalist himself ("Every BAT lease agreement supports the Roughriders - we fight for your freedom!"), he also leans pretty far into the info-socialist side of things. (And yes, this means that all designs by BAT are freely available... just good luck getting them to work the way BAT's does!)
The JMC folks tend to be very infosocialist themselves, as it turns out. After all, they make their money on the inevitable requirements that the physical goods society needs to operate have to get there somehow.
 Obviously, JMC maintains good relations with the Soviets, in part because there's some history between their key people, but in part because Jeph pretty much uses the excesses of Dane corporations as a stellar example of things you just don't do. -- "You know how parents tell you everything's going to fine, but you know they're lying to make you feel better? Everything's going to be fine." - The Doctor
Hey, artwork!
So Nan Desu Kan was this weekend, and as part of the 5% or so I get to see as a staffer I stopped by the artist's alley and made some commissions. I managed to get four commissions in; three I picked up at con, one I've got on order. All three of these were done by http://ravensetfree.deviantart.com/]Danielle Sylvan, who I happened to limp past her booth and liked her stuff. Let's take a look, shall we? First up, we have Mal Fnord circa the 2022 update: ![[Image: 465px-Mal_Fnord_%282020%29.png]](http://www.fenspace.net/images/thumb/e/e9/Mal_Fnord_%282020%29.png/465px-Mal_Fnord_%282020%29.png) [Mal] Not a bad likeness. [Sora] Looking a little bishie there, Mal. [Tina] Maybe it's his elven nature showing? [Mal] My what nature? [Tina] Sorry, spoilers. Ahem, moving on... next up we've got, again circa the 2022 update, one comrade Sora Hasegawa: ![[Image: 433px-Sora_Hasegawa_%282020%29.png]](http://www.fenspace.net/images/thumb/3/30/Sora_Hasegawa_%282020%29.png/433px-Sora_Hasegawa_%282020%29.png) [Sora] I like the long hair. [Mal] It looks good on you, and the new glasses suit your face better. [Tina] It's missing your digital ink, though. [Sora] That's because you can't see that in a G-rated portrait, sweetie. [Mal] Pity, really. ... can't take them anywhere. Anyway, if you couldn't guess our last portrait of the day is Ms. Athene Weatheral, rounding out the Unstoppable Trio: ![[Image: 420px-Athene_Weatheral.png]](http://www.fenspace.net/images/thumb/5/5e/Athene_Weatheral.png/420px-Athene_Weatheral.png) [Tina] Ah! What a picture of loveliness! [Sora] You know, I thought you were joking about frosting your bangs but wow that's hot. [Mal] Hey Tina, you realize that you don't have an official writeup yet? We've got no place to put this picture. [Tina] Huh. Well, Minnie's got a writeup and we're twins, so I guess that counts? [Sora] I suppose... [Minerva] WHO JUST CALLED ME MINNIE!? [Mal & Sora] She did! [Tina] Treasonous wenches! * Exeunt, pursued by an angry twin sister. ... Okay! That kind of went in a weird area, but whatever. Hopefully I'll have Deidre's picture from this year's commission-a-thon sometime in the next couple of weeks. I'll share it with you then. Until next time, true believers! Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" M Fnord Wrote:...Pretty... I'm assuming she kept the old glasses somewhere, seeing as they were a gift from Skuld and all. (re-reads) Ink? What did Noah tell you about tattoos, Sora? ... What? Well, yes, you are a fully-grown woman and quite capable of making your own decisions. ... Yes, you don't live on Stellvia any more. ... Yes, Noah should shut up while he's behind - but does he ever? -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
It's kind of ironic that the Soviets are considered some of the closest allies of ultra-capitalist Greenwood. On the other hand, as Elza Newman put it in an interview upon her election as Mayor of Greenwood City, "Well, they're not oppressing anyone. They're living that way of their own free will. And that's what we're all about... freedom. And so are they."
-- Sucrose Octanitrate. Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode. |
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