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According to Bloomberg, this is only the tip of the iceberg...
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Oh GOD. Okay, I think I'm up for colonizing the moon or something. Who's with me?
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I'll get the LOX. (No, seriously, I know where you can get some. Armadillo Aerospace is local to me.)
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Logan Darklighter Wrote:I'll get the LOX. (No, seriously, I know where you can get some. Armadillo Aerospace is local to me.) Don't know what good that'll do, but I'll get the bagels...
More seriously, a lunar colony would likely have even more intrusive surveillance than this program imposes, because a mistake that's an "oops" on Earth can be deadly when there's vacuum on the other side of the wall. (Or a hobby - " http://what-if.xkcd.com/45/]Why do we even have that drill?")
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Quote:robkelk wrote:
Quote:Logan Darklighter wrote:
I'll get the LOX. (No, seriously, I know where you can get some. Armadillo Aerospace is local to me.)
Don't know what good that'll do, but I'll get the bagels...
Dude...
LOX = Liquid OXygen.
Rocket Fuel.
"You never studied." 
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Quote:robkelk wrote:
More seriously, a lunar colony would likely have even more intrusive surveillance than this program imposes, because a mistake that's an "oops" on Earth can be deadly when there's vacuum on the other side of the wall. (Or a hobby - "Why do we even have that drill?")
I could stand to have workplace activities monitored. I could even stand to have activities in public spaces monitored. I wouldn't even mind that, in the case where all my household materials need to be requisitioned, that I was pointedly asked what in Luna's name I was planning on doing with that much bleach and ammonia. But in the case where communications between my family and friends are monitored not only due to some person's paranoid delusions, but also because it will enable Corporate America to make a buck... I think I'll take the Moon Colony over that anytime.
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Logan Darklighter Wrote:Quote:robkelk wrote:Quote:Logan Darklighter wrote:I'll get the LOX. (No, seriously, I know where you can get some. Armadillo Aerospace is local to me.)
Don't know what good that'll do, but I'll get the bagels... Dude...
LOX = Liquid OXygen.
Rocket Fuel.
"You never studied."
And my next two words were "More seriously"... Dude.
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Hey, remember those pundits that claimed that Snowden was obviously lying because his claims were technically impossible?
The NSA admitted to Congress in a secret briefing that analysts could access any telephone conversation without court orders. Exactly as Snowden claimed he could. Who's the liar now?
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Ordinance, yes there is, however the problem with them is that these internal whistle blowing attempts usually get swept under the rug and the person sent to their own personal Siberia.....
and if you believe your own nation isnt at least having their allies look at your drek, if not looking at it themselves then you are not paranoid enough
the patriot act didnt start this, it started with Echelon back in the early 80's as in late Carter early Regan admin times. The patriot act actually had RULES that they had to follow that the current admin has practically thrown out the window.
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robkelk Wrote:blackaeronaut Wrote:But, playing devil's advocate here, I can't help but think about the ridiculous amounts of data storage that wiretapping the online activity of everyone would require. Is it even possible for the US Government to securely hold on to that much data? Given a decent compression format - say, MP3 - it wouldn't take too many petabytes to store a week's worth of phone calls. Coming back to this...
One hard number that I learned this week: Archival-quality (big-screen) storage of movies takes one terabyte per hour of film, including audio.
Consider how little of a video file is taken up by the audio. Consider also that you don't need 320kps audio quality for spoken-word, the way the project above is using for audio.
I suspect I should go back and say "it wouldn't take too many petabytes to store a month's worth of phone calls," not "a week's worth"...
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Oh, and this week's net.wars may be of interest.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/e ... Page2.html
Right now, why do I get the feeling the FSB has him stashed someplace.
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(blows dust off thread)
Four ways the Guardian could have protected Snowden – by THE NSA
If you think you know anything about data security, or if you want to learn more about data security, read the article and the pages linked from it.
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Four ways the Guardian could have protected Snowden – by THE NSA
If you think you know anything about data security, or if you want to learn more about data security, read the article and the pages linked from it.
It looks like they might have had good reason not to believe that.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09 ... t-traffic/
And never trust the register for anything, they are an amusing read but it is so rare that they are right...
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I'm beginning to think that we need a good fake crypto program that generates nothing but bogus messages built from random numbers, to inject undecipherable garbage into the NSA's datastream and force them to waste time and resources on trying to crack it. Maybe use some kind of daemon that monitors inbound email, identifies its own "kind" of message, strips them out of the user's feed so they don't litter his inbox, and responds after a human-length interval with another random message. It could occasionally fire off a message to a random email address, or maybe one from a list of known other users, and fake a conversation for a while. Or even fake other kinds of traffic...
Just a random idea, up there with the one I had about finding a copyrighted work encoded in the digits of Pi...
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sounds like fun, we'd just have to make a really good encryption program, or something that looks like one.
I can think of three similar ideas over the years. Back in the 1990s, people would add blocks of words expected to grab the NSA's attention (for example, "terrorist Clinton Waco ATF" to their .sig in Usenet posts. More recently, there was a Usenet newsgroup where people could post PGP-encrypted messages sent through the Cypherpunk remailers (it might still exist, but I don't use Usenet anymore). Finally there's Bitmessage, which works by sending every message to everyone in its P2P network, and is currently in development.
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Bob Schroeck Wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... ans-switch]Here's an interesting idea. I expect that a competent lawyer would argue that the system as described was intended by the person who set it up to make a statement after an order to not make such a statement was issued to the person.
If the system was modified to send alerts that the trigger condition had not been met every time this was confirmed, then that wouldn't apply - but those repeated alerts might be classified as spam and not forwarded. Of course, that depends on how the alerts are delivered to the recipients ...
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Only goes to reason: the original author did not want to see the Patriot Act come to be what it is now.
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And here's a http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/o ... uthor-bill]larger article on it from The Guardian.
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Latest news: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/ ... 2W20131016]The Director of the NSA and his deputy are "departing" the agency over the next few months. But NSA spokesmen swear up and down it has absolutely nothing to do with Snowden's revelations. Pure coincidence, completely so.
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Indeed it is.
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Latest New!
12-17-2013, 12:44 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/justice/n ... ?hpt=hp_t1]Federal judge rules that the NSA's domestic phone data-mining is unconstitutional.
So yeah, it's a district court judge, which means there'll be appeals and stays and whatnots, but it also means that this is going to end up in the Supreme Court eventually. With luck this is just first kick in the pants of a long series that the NSA sorely deserves. Here's hoping we get to see a good long humiliation conga.
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