JFerio Wrote:Am I alone in being a little unnerved at what amounts to basically a statement of "we'd prefer you do your discussion of your wiki on our site instead of the place you've been doing it outside our venue"? Because, well, even if you guys could manage to separate the "how Miraheze affects us" and "what are we doing with the wiki specifically", that's actually not a good idea, which would mean he's asking for it to be moved over there wholesale anyway. If he wanted it 100% over there in the first place, that should have actually been made a condition of joining up, either in the Terms of Service, or via public agreement when things were being set up.I've been pushing against that stance as hard as I believe that I can without getting Miraheze stewards annoyed at me. However, there's no way to force somebody to take part in something.
JFerio Wrote:Also, this has definitely firmly cemented Miraheze as a place I don't want to do business, even as a regular user. I can understand the whole DayJob keeping one from posting the reason for a lock, but in my mind, that basically puts it as "hold off on the lock until you can post the reason simultaneously", since outside of the gloating and what John termed as harassment, Lulz doesn't seem to be anywhere near the level of Amanda and thus could have waited until the explanation was ready to post. That alone would have cut about 75% of the reactions off immediately.
Bob Schroeck Wrote:Well, the difference between LK and Amanda is that Amanda was actively damaging the wiki farm, and LK was irritating John. From the responses to each we can infer the relative severity of these offenses.My comments on many, many Miraheze Meta wiki pages already address this, so I won't repeat myself here.
JFerio Wrote:Bob, maybe it's time to listen to those instincts while there's still a chance to move ATT cleanly, and with time to research where it's going to go.
Bob Schroeck Wrote:As for moving ATT, well, that's Brent's to act on, as he's the real owner of the wiki, insofar as anyone is the owner. It's been his baby from the start. But I am definitely voting for developing an exit strategy stat.I've done some preliminary looking. As far as I can tell, there is no other free wiki farm that doesn't wrap the content in ads - although I have yet to investigate whether the folks who host the FenWiki would be interested in hosting something as big as the freebie wiki, let alone ATT. (If we're going to ask about that possibility, we'd better be ready to move immediately if they say yes, because I understand from Mal that his friends are hosting the FenWiki as a favour to him. Anywhere else, we can take our time.)
Barring the possibility of sharing space with the FenWiki, either we change ATT's policy to allow ads, we pay to let somebody host ATT for us, or we find someplace to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download]host it ourselves. I'm reasonably sure that the first of those three options is not on the table.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012