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So... His Orangeness has been indicted - robkelk - 03-31-2023
The analysts at CBC appear to think that him being indicted on claiming hush-money payments were legal expenses is a bad thing, what with the investigations of tax fraud and election interference still progressing. I think they're missing something: claiming hush-money payments were legal expenses is an ethics issue. So this is Trump's ethics that are going to be on trial. Most people would be happy to have their day in court to defend their code of ethics.
(In New York, making hush-money payments is legal, but claiming that they're legal expenses is not.)
As for the possibility of his being jailed (which could happen if he makes a royal hash of his defense) interfering with his run for President in 2024:
Quote:In fact, someone physically incarcerated could run for president, and someone already has: socialist Eugene Debs won nearly a million votes in 1920 while locked up on sedition charges for opposing the First World War.
Be sure to remind everyone that "running for President while in jail" is something that a socialist did.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Bob Schroeck - 03-31-2023
Heh. I'm going to remember that.
Meanwhile, Jimmy Fallon came up with a wonderful little bit of mockery last night:
(Jump to 1:00)
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Dartz - 03-31-2023
Bobby Sands was elected as an MP while on on hunger strike in prison.
Being imprisoned has never been ab impediment to winning an election.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Spoilsport - 03-31-2023
Trump will never go to prison, his "poor state of health and advanced age" will spare him that, and will nicely echo his tax and bank fraud valuation method: pay low, borrow high.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - robkelk - 03-31-2023
Wouldn't "poor state of health and advanced age" prevent him from running for President, though? That's what the GOP said about Biden, after all.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - classicdrogn - 04-02-2023
He really is a Dirtling version of Zaphod Beeblebrox, isn't he?
Though that's probably insulting to Zaphod, even if he is the defining example of a figurehead of state whose greatest success is keeping attention of the media so the people who actually get things done can get on with it. That sort of requires not getting in their way himself, after all.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Spoilsport - 04-15-2023
(03-31-2023, 04:56 PM)robkelk Wrote: Wouldn't "poor state of health and advanced age" prevent him from running for President, though? That's what the GOP said about Biden, after all.
Trump will be "too weak to go to jail" when it comes to court, but "super strong, the strongest even!" when it comes to running for office: just like his real estate evaluations - low when he's paying taxes, super-elevated when used as collateral on loans.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - robkelk - 04-16-2023
Why Secret Service protection for Donald Trump is different than for other ex-presidents
Section headers:
- When did protection for presidents begin?
- What does the Secret Service do for former presidents?
- Was the lifetime coverage suspended?
- Has any president rejected protection?
- How does protection for Trump differ than other former presidents?
- So what if Trump goes to prison?
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Spoilsport - 04-16-2023
I want the next leak to be the "wargaming: what the Secret Service detail will do if/when DJT is sent to jail", probably authored 2015 by some forward thinking "radical leftist Marxist communist feminist trying to transsexual our youth with drag story-hour. And take our guns. And jobs." (did I miss any buzzwords?) "Inflation!" (That's gotta be all, right?)
Granted, the two-tiered justice system never thought its egg would crack like this, but here we are.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - robkelk - 04-17-2023
(04-16-2023, 08:38 PM)Spoilsport Wrote: ..."radical leftist Marxist communist feminist trying to transsexual our youth with drag story-hour. And take our guns. And jobs." (did I miss any buzzwords?)...
"woke"
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - classicdrogn - 04-17-2023
Something something illegal immigrants, vaccinations, and abortion rights too.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Bob Schroeck - 06-09-2023
And again:
Trump faces 37 criminal counts in classified documents case
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - robkelk - 07-29-2023
The Register: Florida man accused of hoarding America's secrets faces fresh charges
Something about destroying evidence.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Dartz - 07-29-2023
He just needs to win the next election so he can declassify everything and pardon himself.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Dartz - 08-02-2023
The Irish times has a good summary of Trump's legal issues
With most of these cases coming up in 2024 it looks like a race against time.
Either it's the White House.
Or the Big House.
I guarantee they'll get delayed himself that either he'll be able to pardon enough, or someone can run on the "I'll pardon Trump" platform and away you go. Look around you and tell me honestly that this is the sort of world where the good guys win and Trump gets fucked.
The cunt's getting more popular the more he's indicted.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Norgarth - 08-03-2023
I'm not sure he's getting more popular as much as his hardcore followers are getting more vocal in their efforts to deny reality.
The numbers of Republican voters who dislike/hate Trump seem to be (slowly) growing, and independent voters are inclining further from him much quicker, His followers may be able to help him and his lackeys win the GOP primaries, but in terms of a general election, Trump's got even less support than in 2020. Anti-Trump Republican voters, may not go so far as to vote Democrat, but them staying home and not voting would still doom Trump's hopes of a return to the White House.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - robkelk - 08-15-2023
And another indictment, which includes attempting to unlawfully access personal data and "unlawful breach of election equipment."
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Dartz - 08-15-2023
That's more charges than a battery factory.
And according to some randomer on the internet, Georgia is far less likely to release people on bail than most States. One assumes he'll end up in the county jail or something in that case. With all the other criminals remanded in custody.
In a bunk.
Quote:The stolen data was then distributed to other members of the enterprise, including members in other states.
Across State Lines? Does that bring in the G-Men?
That's 4 seperate sets of charges, 4 seperate cases to fight and - at least one - has to end in a conviction. Don't get my hopes up reality.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Jinx999 - 08-15-2023
For people who understand statistics.
Did you know that the average president/ex-president has been charged with 2 felonies?
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - classicdrogn - 08-15-2023
Me in 2016: His campaign is a joke, he'll never get into office
Me in 2022: The legal system is a joke, he'll never get thrown in prison
May I be just as wrong now as then...
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - robkelk - 08-15-2023
(08-15-2023, 01:08 PM)Dartz Wrote: Across State Lines? Does that bring in the G-Men?
Not wanted in this case. Convictions of Georgia laws cannot be pardoned by the President of the USA.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - RMH999 - 08-15-2023
(08-15-2023, 05:20 PM)robkelk Wrote:(08-15-2023, 01:08 PM)Dartz Wrote: Across State Lines? Does that bring in the G-Men?
Not wanted in this case. Convictions of Georgia laws cannot be pardoned by the President of the USA.
Convictions in Georgia also can't be pardoned by the Georgia Governor. There's a review committee before a pardon, and I believe you have to serve a certain minimum time.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - hazard - 08-16-2023
(08-15-2023, 01:08 PM)Dartz Wrote: Across State Lines? Does that bring in the G-Men?
(08-15-2023, 05:20 PM)robkelk Wrote: Not wanted in this case. Convictions of Georgia laws cannot be pardoned by the President of the USA.
Yes, it can bring in the federal government. Remember that aside some specific exceptions, federal charges are basically 'did something illegal to federal properties or agents, or the crime crosses state lines'. Should a crime happen in multiple states, multiple states might have their own, unique, charges to add to the matter but it might devolve into an utter shitfest of a jurisdiction dispute, but none of those charges are 'superior' to anybody else's.
And that includes the federal charges. We might see the federal government bring its own charges after Trump has been convicted and sentenced in Georgia, for example.
I know that people generally consider federal charges to be 'heavier', but the reality is that is only because after a conviction in federal court, it is very rare for a state government to decide that they want to tack on their charges because it seems excessively punishing, and the federal government is generally pretty pushy about trying federal charges before state charges.
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - Dartz - 08-25-2023
There we go.... mugged
![[Image: XfhF4rTl.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/XfhF4rTl.jpg)
RE: So... His Orangeness has been indicted - classicdrogn - 08-25-2023
... could he look more like a cartoon villain IRL if he tried? The scowl, the frown lines, the eyebrows! I'd hardly expect a carefree grin given the occasion (and the subject) but this is verging on dark comedy.