British Justice System: IN FUCKING SANE

[ECSNorway]

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London and British crime rates have been increasing for years. Recently total crime rates for London have been estimated at about seven times those of New York for a slightly smaller population and some authorities suggest these figures have been minimized. England and Wales are now accounted by some estimates as the most dangerous places for crime in the developed world.
...New York and London have populations of 8 million and 7 million respectively and comparable police budgets, though New York has about 40 percent more police actually on the beat. British papers retail many incidents of British police, rather than preventing crime, being kept busy "celebrating diversity" and prosecuting politically incorrect remarks and behavior (large amounts of money and court time have been spent by the Crown Prosecution Service on cases of children who have made politically incorrect remarks in school playground fights, for instance).
In Norfolk, where the Tony Martin affair and other matters revealed a state of professional criminal gangs systematically robbing and terrorizing isolated rural dwellers, police recently alerted all officers to the fact a man was still at large after having stolen four soft porn magazines. This desperado's picture was sent to stations throughout the county, and the police released closed circuit television footage of the crime and appealed to members of the public to ring a Crimestopper number if they knew his identity and could help bring him to justice.
There have also been numerous and well-publicized cases of people being prosecuted and jailed for defending themselves from criminal attacks. A storekeeper was knifed in the back as he tackled a gang of youths stealing wine from his Norwich store. He was arrested on two charges of assault.
Shirley Best, owner of the Rolander Fashion Boutique, was ironing some garments when two youths broke in. They pressed the hot iron into her side and stole her watch, leaving her badly burnt. "I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best, "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." In July 2002, a shopkeeper, Richard Barnes, hit a teenage thief whom he had confronted with a single blow. The thief had previously thrown a punch at him. Mr. Barnes was arrested, tried before a jury, and eventually acquitted after a three-day trial in the Hull Crown Court.
There have been doubts expressed that a right to self-defense still exists in British law. Following one homicidal home burglary Dr. Ian Stephen, an Honorary Lecturer (Forensic Psychology) at Glasgow Caledonian University, told householders:
"If you attack the burglar, or react in an 'over-the-top' manner... you will inevitably end up on the receiving end of a prison sentence that will far outstrip that imposed on the intruder in your own home.... when individuals are confronted by intruders there are some actions they should follow. Direct contact should be avoided whenever possible. If unavoidable, the victim should adopt a state of active passivity..."

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[DHBirr]

Someone please tell me this is a joke article ... that the quotes actually come from The Onion. Of course, even here in the wild, savage US and A, I long ago decided I wouldn't, if at all possible, notify the authorities if I harmed someone who broke into my place. Jail time? Hell, the s.o.b. can sue you for defending yourself! Instead, I'd finish him off, stuff him into a large Hefty bag, and dump his dead ass out in the countryside somewhere.
I'm more like a liberal on some issues, more like a conservative on others. The defense of my home is one of the ones where the word "fascist" comes to mind. The moment you force your way into my domicile, you have forfeited your right to live.
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[ECSNorway]

Nope. I've seen too many cases of this sort of thing to believe it could be some sort of farce. This is actually happening.--
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DOROTHY!
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[Fidoohki]

This is what some people want for the USA system of
justice. It's funny, England has some of the strictest gun
laws ever created yet their crime rate in Londen is 7-8
times that of New York, whose laws are not half as bad.
Makes you wonder.

[blob]

Yea, but how many people in New York die through gunshot wounds every year and how many people die this way in London every year?What if: Chibi Usa, Veteran Speznas Ninja Commando From Hell(tm)?What if: Chibi Usa, Veteran Speznas Ninja Commando From Hell(tm)?

[David Lewis]

*sighs* God I miss the days when I was too young to vote and thus had no moral obligation to try and choose a party to help make my country better. Tony or David? Both choices are unappealing at the moment. Everybody join in "My country pisses me off..."

[Foxboy]

I won't say anything because "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." *mutters darkly about the "Two Party System"*
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''

-- James Nicoll

[ECSNorway]

We have two different parties?--
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[Valles]

Yep. 'Us' and 'Them'.


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[Necratoid]

Sure.. we have the oxymoron party... which some how represents the black power people (kill and supress the white people) and the white power people (kill and supress the black people) effectively at the same time. They also can't seem to figure out that when people walk into crowds and explode violently they are hostile.
We also have the party made of the people who offically have power, but are unable to comprehend that means they can accomplish things with it. It also has a lot of people triing to avoid being in the oxymoron party, long enough for it to collapse under the weight of its own convolution. Then they can take the remains of the ex-oxymorn party and be useless there instead.

[Norgarth]

You think that's bad? In Canada we have 3 main parties, which means 50% more idiotic politcical leaches (well proportional to our population at least).
Actually there's 4 if you count the Partie Quebequois (aka the french seperatist party), but they're barely a fringe group outside of Quebec (granted, inside Quebec they hold quite a few seats).
I almost wish that one of these elections we end up with a PQ Minority government (possible, if the other 3 won roughly the same number of seat each) just to see what they would do.
Even if they actually did separate, at least the govmt would stop pandering to them then. (plus I suspect not needing to print every thing in 2 languages would save millions of dollars each year)
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[katreus]

Hah.
So is there anyone that's actually happy with their government?
This is particularly odd coming to me. I've always thought of Canada hrm... as more, well, I don't know how to say it, but more noble? Idealistic? With contented people?
Interesting to hear otherwise.

[Necratoid]

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So is there anyone that's actually happy with their government?

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Thats a rather vague and loaded question. Nationally mostly... I mean I'm not happy on some issues... but I'm not in risk of being shot for publically stating that my state's Senators are embarassing.One was in the dictionary as a state Senator, because of how long he had been there and the other I'd never heard of until he desided to become possessed by Xellos and run for president. He also made several zero sum speaches... every line managed to cancel out the next one or the previous one. Maybe they were actually unspeaches.
At the state level its a debacal. Recently the states highest court granted itself the power to dictate which laws the legislater must pass... or the executive branch would punish them in some unspecified way. They never actually stated if they had a legal basic for this ruling, so I assume its the exective branch, that would do the punishing.
During the early '90's my city had only a handful of minorities all basically just normal people. They spoke English as I know it and crime was low. Then for some bizzarre reason thiings changed. My first sign was that two hispanic guys were talking on the public bus and one was depressed. Apparently someone had desided to import minorities from the center of the state. The next year my high school had literally dozens of minorities students... the kind that speach loudly in semi-ebonics and stood by the front door of the school lobby (in winter) so the could pick fights with people for holding the door open for people with their arms full. This resulted in me coming up with a catch phrase for these kind of situation a few years later: "Stop making me racist. I don't want to be racist." Oh yes... and we now have murders... the minorities killing each other. Still not often, but the frequency has been increasing.
So thats some of my political happiness on different levels... always remember to be specific with political questions or things can spiral out of control.
And 2 languages? We have 2-3 on everything (some manuels have 8-12). We don't even have French speaking people around here.