RE: Things Saber is older than...
10-31-2025, 01:52 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2025, 01:53 PM by Labster.)
10-31-2025, 01:52 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2025, 01:53 PM by Labster.)
Saber is older than... Assassins. Now, she's obviously not older than regicide, which is an very old occurrence indeed, but older than the Order of Assassins, from which assassination gets its name. A Shia sect/cult which used political killings against perceived enemies of their kind of Islam, the Assassins were feared throughout the Middle East, and even into the West, through their killings of Crusaders.
Covering the rest of the classes, fixed lances are contemporary with Artoria, thrown lances/spears are older. Riding is prehistoric, or begins c. 1492 near where I live. Casting spells is also ancient. Berserkers are developed contemporaneously with Artoria, or slightly earlier -- it literally means "bear shirt" and refers to warriors who fight in a trance-like state (possibly drugs, possibly PTSD?). Archery is prehistoric. And as I mentioned earlier, sabers do come later, with the steppe warrior people.
An amendment to what I said earlier about Venice. While she may predate that city in the Veneto, there were plenty of Veneti before her. Including quite close by, in southern Brittany region of Bro Gwened/Vannetais, and in the Welsh region of Gwynedd. Remember, Latin V would originally be pronounced like /w/. And then farther afield, the Veneti on the Vistula River (Baltic coast, near old Prussia/modern Poland) and the Wends in Sweden. And of course the Adriatic Veneti, who were a somewhat Italic people, but still close to German lands.
So were these people related? No one knows. Apparently there's one genetic disease that shows up in all of these regions, but not much else in genetic evidence. Veneti is etymologically related to Venus, with it meaning something like "the people who strive/hope/wish" or "the beloved"... or maybe even "the traders". The Roman writers who recorded these people didn't know all that much of their origins. It's not inconceivable that groups of traders would settle along various major ports, calling themselves "the good guys" to attract business. In an era of nomadic tribes, distant settlement was a norm; Carthaginean settlements in Iberia were at the opposite end of the Mediterranean from the Phoenician homeland in Tyre. Or maybe random groups of people started calling themselves "the beloved" completely independently.
But it puts me at the interesting place that Saber should have some prejudice with respect to Venetians and Neo-Venetians, even if I have no idea if it would be a good or bad opinion.
Covering the rest of the classes, fixed lances are contemporary with Artoria, thrown lances/spears are older. Riding is prehistoric, or begins c. 1492 near where I live. Casting spells is also ancient. Berserkers are developed contemporaneously with Artoria, or slightly earlier -- it literally means "bear shirt" and refers to warriors who fight in a trance-like state (possibly drugs, possibly PTSD?). Archery is prehistoric. And as I mentioned earlier, sabers do come later, with the steppe warrior people.
An amendment to what I said earlier about Venice. While she may predate that city in the Veneto, there were plenty of Veneti before her. Including quite close by, in southern Brittany region of Bro Gwened/Vannetais, and in the Welsh region of Gwynedd. Remember, Latin V would originally be pronounced like /w/. And then farther afield, the Veneti on the Vistula River (Baltic coast, near old Prussia/modern Poland) and the Wends in Sweden. And of course the Adriatic Veneti, who were a somewhat Italic people, but still close to German lands.
So were these people related? No one knows. Apparently there's one genetic disease that shows up in all of these regions, but not much else in genetic evidence. Veneti is etymologically related to Venus, with it meaning something like "the people who strive/hope/wish" or "the beloved"... or maybe even "the traders". The Roman writers who recorded these people didn't know all that much of their origins. It's not inconceivable that groups of traders would settle along various major ports, calling themselves "the good guys" to attract business. In an era of nomadic tribes, distant settlement was a norm; Carthaginean settlements in Iberia were at the opposite end of the Mediterranean from the Phoenician homeland in Tyre. Or maybe random groups of people started calling themselves "the beloved" completely independently.
But it puts me at the interesting place that Saber should have some prejudice with respect to Venetians and Neo-Venetians, even if I have no idea if it would be a good or bad opinion.
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