Something interesting:
So the question is now is whether the Senator Reid gives them a fig leaf, so they all crow to their constituents that they'ved won..and encourage them to try it again next year? The problem with this approach it does nothing to debt limit fight, since it becomes one fight now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ect-quote/
So there is a second reason for the Democrats not to cave: Principle. If the GOP get's it's way this time. What's not to prevent them and the democrats from doing it the years after? Assume the situation is reversed in the future and Ted Cruz is president. Pelosi sends him a similar set of demands for funding the government. Any reason why it can't be done because the Tea Party set the precedent? Sauce for the goose and all that. Yes, there had been similar shutdowns..all 17 of them. But none of the shutdowns except the last prior one shutdown produced a closing of "non-essential" government services. So the Tea Party has their fight. The markets are tanking. And no end game. This really must look weird to the outside world.
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Into terror!, Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell
Quote:*** “We have to get something out of this”: This is where Rep.They got the fight, now what?
Marlin Stutzman’s (R-IN) amazing and revealing quote comes into play.
“We’re not going to be disrespected,” the Tea Party congressman said, per NBC's Frank Thorp.
“We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even
is.” Let that quote sink: Stutzman is admitting that conservatives don’t
even know what they want out of this fight. As we said yesterday, the
deeper a hole you did, the harder it is to get out because suddenly you
get this war mentality where you can’t fathom “surrendering” to the
other side’s terms. And what Boehner seems to be almost BEGGING
Democrats for is a fig leaf of something so that Republicans can get
“something” out of this. If there is a “something” that Democrats MIGHT
offer, keep an eye on the medical-device tax. It’s a way for Senate
Democrats to recruit Senate Republicans to make a statement to House
Republicans. Reid can say it is NOT connected to the shutdown, but they
pass it as a stand-alone, send it to the House, and let Boehner spin it
any way he wants to simply get the government open.
So the question is now is whether the Senator Reid gives them a fig leaf, so they all crow to their constituents that they'ved won..and encourage them to try it again next year? The problem with this approach it does nothing to debt limit fight, since it becomes one fight now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ect-quote/
So there is a second reason for the Democrats not to cave: Principle. If the GOP get's it's way this time. What's not to prevent them and the democrats from doing it the years after? Assume the situation is reversed in the future and Ted Cruz is president. Pelosi sends him a similar set of demands for funding the government. Any reason why it can't be done because the Tea Party set the precedent? Sauce for the goose and all that. Yes, there had been similar shutdowns..all 17 of them. But none of the shutdowns except the last prior one shutdown produced a closing of "non-essential" government services. So the Tea Party has their fight. The markets are tanking. And no end game. This really must look weird to the outside world.
__________________
Into terror!, Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell