All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXIX

[Bob Schroeck]

What do people think about promoting Fixguy53ae to Autopatrolled/Automod? I've been checking his contributions against TVT every time I've had to approve any, and he's always given us original text, even when the contribution is 2K or more, he seems to have a reasonable grasp of grammar and usage, and (mostly) grasps markup and its proper use.

[robkelk]

Sounds good to me. He's also willing to reply to mod posts on his user talk page.

[GethN7]

Go for it, sounds like a valued user.

[Bob Schroeck]

What do people think about promoting Fixguy53ae to Autopatrolled/Automod?

Okay, counting me that's three out of four mods recommending Trident for their patients who chew gum okaying his promotion.  I'll do that now.

[Bob Schroeck]

Okay, I know we have this trope, but I'm drawing a complete and utter blank on what it's called: When a period piece set in the recent past has a soundtrack made completely of especially familiar hit music of the period. Digging through the Music Tropes category didn't help me, so I'm turning to the forums.

Thanks.

[robkelk]

The closest I can find is Nothing but Hits.

[Bob Schroeck]

That's it. Thank you.

And in looking at that I just realized we have as categories Music Tropes and Score and Music Tropes.

[robkelk]

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And in looking at that I just realized we have as categories Music Tropes and Score and Music Tropes.

Oh, it gets better. "Category:Score and Music Tropes" is a subcategory of both "Music Tropes" and "Music and Sound Tropes".

Somebody with a spare year needs to go through the entire category cloud and weed out the duplicates...

[Bob Schroeck]

Oh yeah.

[robkelk]

I know that this is probably the same as wishing for the moon, the stars, and a pet pony, but there's no harm in asking...

Is there any chance we can get PetScan for ATT (or all public wikis on Miraheze)?

[robkelk]

The entries on these Lint Error lists are beyond my capability to fix, because they require tinkering with code:

• Table tag that should be deleted
  
• Misnested tag with different rendering in HTML5 and HTML4
  
• Miscellaneous issues
  
• Bogus file options (it looks to me like fixing the page "Help:Images/frame" will get rid of the errors on all of the other pages on this sublist)
  
• Multi colon escape
  
• Links in links
  

If one of our code folks is looking for a weekend project, please consider this one.

EDIT: Add "Fostered content" to the above list.

I believe I have "Obsolete HTML tags" down to where it can be added to this list.

[Bob Schroeck]

<sigh> Orror SANESS, the user who got pissy impatient about his submission in the Mod Queue, which then turned out to be about as unusable as it could get without actually being blank, has registered for an account here. I'm not rejecting him outright, but I've left a note on his talk page asking him what he wants to say here that he can't say on the wiki.

EDIT: He's also the guy who three weeks ago submitted a half-megabyte of text stolen copied word-for-word from a work page and all its subpages on TV Tropes as a single page lacking pretty much all useful markup.

[GethN7]

I know that this is probably the same as wishing for the moon, the stars, and a pet pony, but there's no harm in asking...

Is there any chance we can get PetScan for ATT (or all public wikis on Miraheze)?

The code in question is largely based on doing an API call to a wiki for specific information, but the implementation runs through Toolforge, a toolserver specific for WMF projects.

It's a more automated version of using this:

https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox

[Bob Schroeck]

<sigh> Orror SANESS, the user who got pissy impatient about his submission in the Mod Queue, which then turned out to be about as unusable as it could get without actually being blank, has registered for an account here. I'm not rejecting him outright, but I've left a note on his talk page asking him what he wants to say here that he can't say on the wiki.

EDIT: He's also the guy who three weeks ago submitted a half-megabyte of text stolen copied word-for-word from a work page and all its subpages on TV Tropes as a single page lacking pretty much all useful markup.

Okay, I gave him nearly a week to respond in two different venues -- email and ATT. He didn't. Guess he didn't really have anything important to say, since he won't say anything. I've nuked his unactivated account for failing my final spammer test.

[robkelk]

How many times has Miraheze updated the MediaWiki software since the last time we updated the Help pages?

Serious question -- I've lost track.

Anyway... I just hung an "outdated" tag on Category:Help. Who has time to get a new copy? Or should we just point at Mediawiki's online copy and be done with keeping a local copy?

[Labster]

Updated copies would need the translation tags stripped out before posting, or the translation extension enabled. Said extension is both necessarily complicated, and unnecessarily complicated for our use case. I think everyone redirects to mediawiki.org because there is no portable documentation, even though it also has random advice on syntax pages to enable $wg variables. Seems like there are no good solutions to me.

[GethN7]

Have a solution to fix the problem, or at least paper it over, very simple

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Export

In the "Add pages from category" put "Category:Help"

Export all those pages and import the XML to ATT (may need to curate the imported content to remove any superfluous/irrelevant content)

[Labster]

In practice Special:Export is a footgun, so much so that we have pagesadvising people not to import from Wikipedia.

In this case importing a one help page would probably export at least 100 pages and templates and still look broken until we turned the translation extension on, and after that admins would have to mark pages for translation any time we want to edit a translated page, or else the edits will be hidden but only sometimes.

[GethN7]

In practice Special:Export is a footgun, so much so that we have pagesadvising people not to import from Wikipedia.

In this case importing a one help page would probably export at least 100 pages and templates and still look broken until we turned the translation extension on, and after that admins would have to mark pages for translation any time we want to edit a translated page, or else the edits will be hidden but only sometimes.

True. We could always just import pages with the import templates and support pages option checked off or, since it's under Public Domain, replace our outdated pages with edited updated ones by hand since we don't have too many.

[robkelk]

In practice Special:Export is a footgun, so much so that we have pagesadvising people not to import from Wikipedia.

In this case importing a one help page would probably export at least 100 pages and templates and still look broken until we turned the translation extension on, and after that admins would have to mark pages for translation any time we want to edit a translated page, or else the edits will be hidden but only sometimes.

True. We could always just import pages with the import templates and support pages option checked off or, since it's under Public Domain, replace our outdated pages with edited updated ones by hand since we don't have too many.

I was hoping that we could replace the pages with newer ones because of the number of lint errors some of them are generating. Fix everything at once, not just the outdated content.

[Bob Schroeck]

((whoops -- posted something in the wrong thread))

[robkelk]

Er... wrong wiki, Bob.

As for ATT, I've put together another navbox: {{Transformers Franchise}}. I think I got everything, but I'm not a big TF fan.

[Bob Schroeck]

So Kuma has given up on the wiki. While our user base is so small that I hate to see us lose anyone, I will admit to a certain amount of relief that we will no longer have to deal with their unreadably long, grammatically-challenged sentences and their tendency to submit tropes with completely inappropriate and misleading names and descriptions which have nothing to do with what they claim the trope is about. "It's a trope about colors, which is why the trope name is about music!" <sigh>

In other news, new user DanielBenner6789 is apparently upset that TVT decided "Bare Your Midriff" isn't a trope anymore, and seems to be on a personal mission to add it wherever he can.

[robkelk]

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In other news, new user DanielBenner6789 is apparently upset that TVT decided "Bare Your Midriff" isn't a trope anymore, and seems to be on a personal mission to add it wherever he can.

As long as they're saying why the examples are for fanservice, and not just listing all examples of visible bellybuttons, I'm okay with that.

[Bob Schroeck]

Yeah, he's actually writing real examples, not just a bullet and a work name.