All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXIX

[Bob Schroeck]

Getting 504 errors trying to reach the wiki. It's been intermittently slow today, this is just even more of the same.

Oddly, the KanriKyara wiki doesn't appear to be affected.

[robkelk]

I seem to recall somebody wondering whether we could use the Laconic version of a trope as a one-line description at the top of the trope page. If we do come up with a way to do that, we could also use the Laconic version as the "Basic Trope" entry on the trope's Playing With subpage. Just saying.

[Bob Schroeck]

Good ideas, both -- if only I had the knowledge to productively investigate how to do that.

Meanwhile, Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot is getting pissy about the changes I made to his first page contribution. Does anyone have any idea what he's talking about with this "direct import" that apparently required him to delete the page template when creating the page?

[robkelk]

Straight copy-and-paste with no changes for different templates at the source and destination wikis, apparently.

I've already told him "Don't do that".

[Bob Schroeck]

Geeze. I really want to say that's stupid and/or lazy.

But I won't -- there.

[robkelk]

Oh, i was so tempted to point out a trope that only we have, but I didn't. ... Yet.

[robkelk]

Oh, dear - A relatively-new troper is getting a database error when trying to save an edit. Mobile edit, editor is still going through Moderation.

Brent, is this a known issue, or do we need to enter a ticket?

[GethN7]

Oh, dear - A relatively-new troper is getting a database error when trying to save an edit.  Mobile edit, editor is still going through Moderation.

Brent, is this a known issue, or do we need to enter a ticket?

Sounds like something on the backend processed bad and the records for that page are vomiting out errors. Probably needs checked to see if the bot job cache needs updated.

[Bob Schroeck]

Oh, i was so tempted to point out a trope that only we have, but I didn't. ... Yet.

And he's responded to you. Apparently his time is way too valuable to waste on actually doing anything useful:

importing takes few seconds of spare time and physical effort. editing afterwards requires much more of those. i cannot do much at present.

[robkelk]

Oh, i was so tempted to point out a trope that only we have, but I didn't. ... Yet.

And he's responded to you.  Apparently his time is way too valuable to waste on actually doing anything useful:

importing takes few seconds of spare time and physical effort. editing afterwards requires much more of those. i cannot do much at present.

Which means it's time to point out the trope.

[robkelk]

He's replied to you, but not to me. Looks like he'd rather fight than learn. If you're really curious, see the thread.

I replied with this, and now wash my hands of the thread:

We have told you what we want in plain language, and you continue to misinterpret what we say. You appear to be convinced that your False Dichotomy is the only way. It is not.

Perhaps it would be best if you were to find another troping site to take part in.

EDIT: And I've rejected two edits by the same person. One because it would have broken something a mod had fixed (and I pointed out that that's a tempbannable action), and the other because it went against our rule on abbreviations (and I pointed out how to get a rule changed).

RE-EDIT: Okay, I've lost all patience with this troper. Asking a question that I've already answered will do that. Somebody else gets to deal with them.

[Bob Schroeck]

I'm going to point out the "refusing to learn from honest mistakes" clause in "How We Do Bans Around Here" and leave him to hang himself.

EDIT: Well, I did a little more than that.

Why do I always make myself the Bad (or Worst) Cop?

[robkelk]

Looks like Tabber and Related Pages don't play well together.

As seen on "Vendor Lock-In", when Related Pages looks for something to display from the "Playstation Vita" page:
   

Which one should we prioritize - Related Pages or Tabber? (Normally, I'd ask the Tropers, but IIRC neither of these were run past the Tropers before they were turned on.)

[Bob Schroeck]

{{cleanup|The Self-Demonstrating version needs to be moved to a subpage, to maintain consistency with the rest of the wiki.}}

... Um, Rob? About three years ago we decided as a group to move Self-Demonstrating subpages into tabbers on the main pages. Well, I proposed it, and you said "sure!" If there's consistency to be maintained, it's in the other direction, because I never finished the task I assigned myself.

[GethN7]

Looks like Tabber and Related Pages don't play well together.

As seen on "Vendor Lock-In", when Related Pages looks for something to display from the "Playstation Vita" page:


Which one should we prioritize - Related Pages or Tabber? (Normally, I'd ask the Tropers, but IIRC neither of these were run past the Tropers before they were turned on.)

I removed the Tabber use on the affected page, and it's clear what the issue is.

Related Pages will work with Tabber, but it needs to have a small summary at the top of the page to grab to show a proper summary. The use of Tabber causes it to disregard this at the header since Related Pages is trained to disregard wikitext which is not plain text, and Tabber caused it to disregard all text within the Tabber markup.

So we can still use both, we just need to leave a small summary of the page at the top prior to the use of Tabber markup for Related Pages to have something to work with.

[robkelk]

{{cleanup|The Self-Demonstrating version needs to be moved to a subpage, to maintain consistency with the rest of the wiki.}}

... Um, Rob?  About three years ago we decided as a group to move Self-Demonstrating subpages into tabbers on the main pages.  Well, I proposed it, and you said "sure!"  If there's consistency to be maintained, it's in the other direction, because I never finished the task I assigned myself.

Did we?... we did.

Okay, never mind.

[robkelk]

Two issues in as many days with Related Pages not playing well with other tools. Looks like I'm not using the published process to create an "Awesome" subpage for "Mind of Mencia"... which means not being able to turn "Live-Action TV/Awesome" into a category quite so easily.

[Bob Schroeck]

Well. That's definitely annoying.

[robkelk]

Yeah.

I've skipped that page and gone on to others listed at "Live-Action TV/Awesome" so that the issue can be demonstrated if needed.

[GethN7]

Yeah.

I've skipped that page and gone on to others listed at "Live-Action TV/Awesome" so that the issue can be demonstrated if needed.

Not much we can do about that. Thankfully, if we need to create a new page, we still have the drop-down on new pages to add relevant markup as needed.

I looked into the options for Related Pages, and it's considered a foreground skin element so it integrates smoothly into all supported skins. This unfortunately will not play nice with all templates and Lua scripting because their code, by necessity, plays second fiddle to skin code elements so they do not disable functional links to other pages.

[robkelk]

Well, in this particular case, somebody who's actually familiar with the work could flesh out the page, pushing the related pages boxes farther away from the drop-down menu.

(That page needs a lot of work.)

[robkelk]

It's a Sisyphean task... Every time I fix a Lint Error, the scanner finds at least a half-dozen more.

[GethN7]

Well, in this particular case, somebody who's actually familiar with the work could flesh out the page, pushing the related pages boxes farther away from the drop-down menu.

(That page needs a lot of work.)

Got it covered, page should not have the overlap anymore.

[robkelk]

Thanks, Geth.

[robkelk]

Looks like I managed to fix the last "Multi colon escape" lint error without breaking anything.