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If you want ex-military, buy Russian.
Ultimately, there's nothing you can do with a Forrestal class that you can't do with a Freighter, which will be easier to aquire. You're still looking at a six-seven figure sum, as opposed to an eight or nine-figure if you're buying at scrap prices. Not to mention the fact that the US Government does not like Fen....
Bulk freighters can be picked up at scrap prices in multiple places. But scrap price for that much metal isn't going to be cheap.
SS Ciara is something of an oddball in that respect. I've no objection to other ex-military naval ships appearing, so long as they remain the first (The initial Oh Shit! Warship! Being too funny), just so long as there's a fair reason for the country involved to sell it. (The Navy here has sold old ships at auction to private hands for conversion to yachts before).
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There's a second problem with the U.S. government not allowing the carrier to be waved in the boneyard... finding the lift capacity to get it to drydock. JMC might have moved block housing from Ireland... but those can't hold a candle to the size and mass of a decommissioned aircraft carrier. Anyone trying it would either have to commission with the Trekkies or a faction with similar lifting capacity.
Well, OK, JMC could probably manage it... but it would be a large chunk of their fleet that would have to be involved to get it up, which would be fraught with the peril of having to coordinate all those Blue Midgets having to basically haul it up by cable attachments. Not an especially ideal set of circumstances. And frighteningly expensive.
(This very same set of circumstances is likely the reason that the Trekkies didn't just buy CVN-65 off the U.S. Navy at the end of her useful life. Way too expensive and dangerous to get where it could be waved without a lot of throat clearing of the locals.)
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*scratches Forrestals off 'possibilities' list*
Gotcha.
While I've some attention, though, ya think Putin would be adverse to selling off about a hundred of the Yakovlev 38s? They're going on 40 years old and have been gathering dust in storage for about half that time.
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while i have to agree with Dakota on this i can think of a particular fandom that not only would probably have the cash and other resourses to pull it off, but WOULD make it a military craft, thats the Wing Commander fandom. Then again, they would probably be more likely to grab one of the LHD's, thinking Guadalcanal was a class there, and wave it.
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I'm being too subtle again... I know what Wing Commander is; I just have trouble seeing an organized fandom of the game being that wealthy. (IMHO, they're more likely to be a part of the Warsies...)
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Sorry I haven't been around much. No internet at the new house, and my sibs and I are working 12-hour shifts six days a week in a meat packing plant that is two hours from home.
Anywho, Crica-2016 Roughriders might be able to pull something like this off. Even more likely around 2020. At that time they should have ample resources to pull of one, maybe two purchases of that magnitude.
Alos, Ben is just crazy enough to fix up some kind of mule/tug ship that can sweep right in and lift the sucker right out of drydock if needs be. It would be a huge and ungainly looking thing, and definitely a one-off. It works only because Ben looks at problems like this and immediately thinks "MOAR POWAH!!!" Really, that's what it boils down to - having enough lifting power just to get it up into orbit. From there, getting it to a suitable facility for refit is relatively easy.
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was actually able to find an old web page that is still active for WC Fen, it even has ship stats by class. I think i'll try the wake island class escort carrier and a few F57B fighter bombers
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While I previously had just shelved anything involving the ACs, I recently had an idle thouth that took off on me.
Previous consideration was just "Who amongst the Fen might be capable of 'uplifting' a Forrestal?" Then I realized that the already warned-against-using military aren't the only fish in the danside sea.
What about scientific research groups? Say a coalition thereof were to purchase and wave one (just the hull and drive system due to the usual anti-wave danish feelings) to use as a base of operations for researching, say, the biosphere on Azkaban? The success of something like the ESA/JAXA projects might be what garnered such a serious interest in doing it.
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why an AC
02-04-2013, 03:00 AM
i was thinking on this thread subject the other week and decided that while an aircraft carrier was a little much maybe an LPD(H) wouldnt be, they are classified as non-combatant units that orriginally were used to land wheeled cargo either by ramp directly to the docks or from the "well deck" via ramped landing craft. Now they are used as part of the MSTS fleet to keep necessary equipment, (trucks of various sizes, humvvs to 7 tons) on hand and ready to land during an amphibious landing to provide the troops with equipment. This way the troops can be flown into an AO and handed ready gear and not have to worry abou loading and transhipment of the gear, much less the shipping time it would take their own gear to get to the AO from state side. I'm gonna do a little more research, but currently the best subject i've found for modification and uplifting it the USS Inchon, LPH-12 Iwo Jima class ship. commision 20 june 1970 decommisioned 20 june 2002, and then stricken from the record which probably means she's spent the last 11 years in the Norfolk Naval yard or sitting in either Tierra del Fuego or Diego Garcia with a load of 7 tons in her hold.